MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

@rdr I have invited you to make a case on me or literally anyone else since you keep shading me. I'd like to see it.

I won't make a case on you as I don't think you are scum. Maybe 3P, but for sure you are not the kill today. I am just upset because you seem to be reading and posting but can't understand the setup and take a lot of posting and not content as town indicative.

And I don't make big cases, I don't believe on them and you played with me long enough to know this. My scumreads are based mostly on POE and I don't pretend to be completely sure about anything. Bob could be just a misguided town that write in a hedgy and convoluted way? Yes, he can, but I think it's more likely he is scum.
Fox could be really trying to scumhunt with that sheet/graph? Yes, but I think it's more likely he made that counting references instead of analyzing interactions (which I had many) with Ghug, just to shade me and Bob (which in this case isn't his scumpartner and that's why I am happy with me x Fox) and this fit what I remember from Fox as scum.

I answer all things people questioned me in good faith (I remember Vecna, Summit and Worcej at least). I stated my opinion everytime I can and I don't remember you considering it. You didn't make any question, you just keep shading me and I don't understand this play.

I'm not just shading you, I'm voting for you. You keep calling me scummy but not doing anything else about it, that's what I don't like.

I'm just trying to figure this out ok? I don't wanna miskill you. Fox as scum pretends to be engaged but isn't? I always thought Fox!scum is really amiable and he seems rough here.

[Foxcastle]

Actually I think I will vote fox until he answers all of my questions.

##vote fox

This is disingenuous. I have either answered your questions or you've indicated that you've seen the answer you were looking for. The rest of your posts regarding me are a bunch commentary/speculation. (I don't have a problem with commentary/speculation; I do have a problem with claiming that I haven't responded.)

If there's something specific I've missed, go ahead and quote it and I'll make sure you get your answer.

[Foxcastle]

bo_sox and Foxcastle are still my top mafia suspects. rdrivera and worcej are looking more likely to be town to me.

Since there is more support for Foxcastle:

##VOTE Foxcastle

Bozo Day 1: Fox is town
Bozo Night 1: Fox is town, Fox could be scum
Bozo Day 2: doesn't mention me at all
Bozo Night 2: doesn't mention me at all
Bozo Day 3: could be scum based on Chaqa's wagon, implicitly endorses my case on Worcej, "I do not think seth, Bob, or Foxcastle are mafia," "Foxcastle voters should move"

And then we get to this read based on POE and includes Worcej, and then votes me because there's more support for me.

Just documenting. Maybe a little OMGUS, but this seems like a very lazy Bozo who's just shifting with the wind.

[Durga]

It's definitely opportunistic from bozo.

[Foxcastle]

Fox, I'd like to see something similar on your end too. I'm not sure I'll have time but I'll try to reread both today because I don't think either looks particularly good.

Yeah, I will try to figure out who to vote for this afternoon. Have some work stuff this morning, but I have changed my mind on Rdrivera.

##UNVOTE

[Foxcastle]

Is UNVOTE valid anymore?

Anyway, I'm going to stick it on ##VOTE SUMMIT

[Durga]

Fox, I'd like to see something similar on your end too. I'm not sure I'll have time but I'll try to reread both today because I don't think either looks particularly good.

Yeah, I will try to figure out who to vote for this afternoon. Have some work stuff this morning, but I have changed my mind on Rdrivera.

##UNVOTE

What?????????? Are you just trying to confuse me now?????? SUMMIT???

[Jamiet99uk]

Is UNVOTE valid anymore?

GM NOTE - Both "UNVOTE" and "NO-KILL" are treated as the same thing now - a valid vote choosing not to select anyone.

[Foxcastle]

Fox, I'd like to see something similar on your end too. I'm not sure I'll have time but I'll try to reread both today because I don't think either looks particularly good.

Yeah, I will try to figure out who to vote for this afternoon. Have some work stuff this morning, but I have changed my mind on Rdrivera.

##UNVOTE

What?????????? Are you just trying to confuse me now?????? SUMMIT???

It's not Rdrivera, and I'm also backing off TrPrado because of his big case on Bo, but that's obviously something that any alignment could have done.

[Durga]

Yeah, I will try to figure out who to vote for this afternoon. Have some work stuff this morning, but I have changed my mind on Rdrivera.

##UNVOTE

What?????????? Are you just trying to confuse me now?????? SUMMIT???

It's not Rdrivera, and I'm also backing off TrPrado because of his big case on Bo, but that's obviously something that any alignment could have done.

Expand on the first bit

[Hamilton Brian]

There’s a fair amount of theatre between TrP and summit, Fox and summit, fox and rdr. I want to go look through those three tangents.

Is anyone suspicious of Bozo? Impression by memory of this game, with no specifics, So matter of fact in posts, not rattled by much.

[Durga]

I guess the one thing about Bozo was that I was shocked ghug didn't go hard on voting him and calling him an idiot/liability for ruining the game last time and that we should just get rid of him. That would have been an easy scum read to have. Imagine if they are scum together

[Foxcastle]

We really, really need two new wagons.

[rdrivera2005]

@rdr I have invited you to make a case on me or literally anyone else since you keep shading me. I'd like to see it.

I won't make a case on you as I don't think you are scum. Maybe 3P, but for sure you are not the kill today. I am just upset because you seem to be reading and posting but can't understand the setup and take a lot of posting and not content as town indicative.

And I don't make big cases, I don't believe on them and you played with me long enough to know this. My scumreads are based mostly on POE and I don't pretend to be completely sure about anything. Bob could be just a misguided town that write in a hedgy and convoluted way? Yes, he can, but I think it's more likely he is scum.
Fox could be really trying to scumhunt with that sheet/graph? Yes, but I think it's more likely he made that counting references instead of analyzing interactions (which I had many) with Ghug, just to shade me and Bob (which in this case isn't his scumpartner and that's why I am happy with me x Fox) and this fit what I remember from Fox as scum.

I answer all things people questioned me in good faith (I remember Vecna, Summit and Worcej at least). I stated my opinion everytime I can and I don't remember you considering it. You didn't make any question, you just keep shading me and I don't understand this play.

I'm not just shading you, I'm voting for you. You keep calling me scummy but not doing anything else about it, that's what I don't like.

I'm just trying to figure this out ok? I don't wanna miskill you. Fox as scum pretends to be engaged but isn't? I always thought Fox!scum is really amiable and he seems rough here.

Did you read the post you quoted? Where I told I DON'T think you are scum? You have been on my town read all game long and this is what makes me frustrated as I just can't communicate with you. And you were shading me since D2, but just now you are voting me.

About Fox, I could be misremenbering but I think Fox town tend to tunnel and to be more focused and Fox this game seems to be just trying to go with the flow. He had some posts also, like the one about the witch that I find really hard to believe town Fox will do.

[rdrivera2005]

We really, really need two new wagons.

Humm, if I am getting this right, I have a really, really bad feeling. Want to lynch Bob?

[Hamilton Brian]

Rereading EMC, his approach has been pretty...meh. No cases, but for a couple speculations around flipping Bob and Worcej. The only thing that sticks out to make me think he’s not scum is that I’d expect them to be in here mixing shit up and confusing us.

##Vote EMC

There’s the new wagon Fox was asking for.

RDR, why do you have a bad feeling, and why are you suggesting Bob?

[rdrivera2005]

Rereading EMC, his approach has been pretty...meh. No cases, but for a couple speculations around flipping Bob and Worcej. The only thing that sticks out to make me think he’s not scum is that I’d expect them to be in here mixing shit up and confusing us.

##Vote EMC

There’s the new wagon Fox was asking for.

RDR, why do you have a bad feeling, and why are you suggesting Bob?

I had a thought about what Fox meant and I am wanting to give him a pass today to avoid a bad scenario.
Bob because he is my top scumread, I wasn't voting him because I told I won't and because of Prado's case.

[Durga]

I'm not sure emc should be allowed to play this game anymore

[Hamilton Brian]

The issue around voting for Bob is the conflict with Bo_ dropping the vote on him in conjunction with TrP's elaborate case about Bo_ being the warlock.

Need to look thoroughly and see if voting Bob leads to a win condition if indeed the warlock is in play. If it's affirmative, then Bob would be an unwise vote.

[Durga]

##call gm - do you need a sub? I should be able to bully someone into doing it