MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

Caught up. Opinions unchanged

Opinions bad. Also Tr is right that if there is a warlock they probably bet on Bob, so even if you wanna kill Bob, maybe not today

Good point

[bozotheclown]

bo_sox and Foxcastle are still my top mafia suspects. rdrivera and worcej are looking more likely to be town to me.

Since there is more support for Foxcastle:

##VOTE Foxcastle

[damo666]

I think TRs un cc'd RB claim is genuine as is his detailed case on bo being warlock (though I don't understand it very well).

Bob is improving though I am not convinced he is town but as he is probably the warlock pick if warlock exists I shall vote elsewhere.

Durga Bozo EMC worcej summit are all town enough in my head that it would take something dramatic to alter my opinion.

I think seth is town but not quite as sure. Was pretty sure on Fox but he has come under pressure, will reread.

Ham is almost certainly not mafia but I can't shake the feeling something is up, 3p I guess.

Bo I find difficult to read and could vote there but I shall vote for the person I townread the least which is rdr.

##vote rdrivera

I don't have a clever solid reason, it's more a poe.

[damo666]

It is most unlikely rdr and Bob are scum together.

I think we should kill rdr today.

If rdr flips town then kill Bob.

If rdr flips scum assume Bob is town and kill say bo.

[TrPrado]

God, rdr has some weird interactions. He "started" thinking of ghug as scum in two separate back to back posts with completely separate reasons but literally never pushed him or asked him any questions. His difference in push on Bismarck vs Sarah is absolutely bizarre because he specifically called out Sarah as lurking and therefore deserving to be killed several hours before EOD one but his first mention of Bismarck was minutes before the deadline?

Yeah, I'm willing to ##VOTE RDRIVERA

[BobMcBob]

How often Ghug and Chaqa mention other players, corrected and updated.

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          GHUG      CHAQA
Chaqa        7 
Ghug                 4
Bozo        19       0
Bo          19       9
Damo        22       4
Durga       58       6
EMC          15      13
Fox         14       4
Hamilton    12       5
Rdr          7       1
Seth        28       0
Summit      18       0
TrPrado	    19	     1
Worcej      20       1
Bob          23       10
Vecna       18       7

(Based on CTRL-F'ing their ISO. Includes quoting other players and players mentioned in quotes. I've corrected for a couple things, like how BobMcBob's username counts twice. Bob includes Yoyo mention, EMC includes Bismarck mentions.)

Better, but still not seeing the point of this endeavour tbh.

[BobMcBob]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Why I am not surprised with the conclusion?

Let's make a deal. We flip Bob today and you can flip me tomorrow. I will even vote myself. If you really think we are both scum this is a great deal for you.

Hey well at least we agree on something. This post is overly convenient all round. But I say we lynch rdr before me, the way he proposes it is way too biased and unfair.

[rdrivera2005]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Why I am not surprised with the conclusion?

Let's make a deal. We flip Bob today and you can flip me tomorrow. I will even vote myself. If you really think we are both scum this is a great deal for you.

Hey well at least we agree on something. This post is overly convenient all round. But I say we lynch rdr before me, the way he proposes it is way too biased and unfair.

Would you agree on being the kill tomorrow after I flip town?

[rdrivera2005]

I think TRs un cc'd RB claim is genuine as is his detailed case on bo being warlock (though I don't understand it very well).

Bob is improving though I am not convinced he is town but as he is probably the warlock pick if warlock exists I shall vote elsewhere.

Durga Bozo EMC worcej summit are all town enough in my head that it would take something dramatic to alter my opinion.

I think seth is town but not quite as sure. Was pretty sure on Fox but he has come under pressure, will reread.

Ham is almost certainly not mafia but I can't shake the feeling something is up, 3p I guess.

Bo I find difficult to read and could vote there but I shall vote for the person I townread the least which is rdr.

##vote rdrivera

I don't have a clever solid reason, it's more a poe.

Bad choice. But having me and Fox as wagons isn't that bad.

[rdrivera2005]

God, rdr has some weird interactions. He "started" thinking of ghug as scum in two separate back to back posts with completely separate reasons but literally never pushed him or asked him any questions. His difference in push on Bismarck vs Sarah is absolutely bizarre because he specifically called out Sarah as lurking and therefore deserving to be killed several hours before EOD one but his first mention of Bismarck was minutes before the deadline?

Yeah, I'm willing to ##VOTE RDRIVERA

Just to make one point clear. My reasoning on Sarah is personal, has nothing to do with she being a lurker. I believe she shouldn't be allowed to play in Mafia games as she didn't even made an effort to understand how to play and this is unfair with the others.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.4

rdrivera2005 (5) - Foxcastle, BobMcBob, Durga, Damo666, TrPrado
Foxcastle (5) - Rdrivera, worcej, Summit, Seth, Bozotheclown
BobMcBob (1) - Bo_Sox
TrPrado (1) - Hamilton Brian

EMC must participate or he will face modkill.

The vote is currently tied and NOBODY is set to be hanged.

10 hours and 16 minutes remain in the day.

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote Foxcastle

[Durga]

##vote Foxcastle

Do you want to explain this one?

[Durga]

@rdr I have invited you to make a case on me or literally anyone else since you keep shading me. I'd like to see it.

[Durga]

Fox, I'd like to see something similar on your end too. I'm not sure I'll have time but I'll try to reread both today because I don't think either looks particularly good.

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote Foxcastle

Do you want to explain this one?

Not yet; not confident in either lead, and I still think bo_ could take the lead; I want something solid from 4 reads that I can hit a home run with.

[rdrivera2005]

@rdr I have invited you to make a case on me or literally anyone else since you keep shading me. I'd like to see it.

I won't make a case on you as I don't think you are scum. Maybe 3P, but for sure you are not the kill today. I am just upset because you seem to be reading and posting but can't understand the setup and take a lot of posting and not content as town indicative.

And I don't make big cases, I don't believe on them and you played with me long enough to know this. My scumreads are based mostly on POE and I don't pretend to be completely sure about anything. Bob could be just a misguided town that write in a hedgy and convoluted way? Yes, he can, but I think it's more likely he is scum.
Fox could be really trying to scumhunt with that sheet/graph? Yes, but I think it's more likely he made that counting references instead of analyzing interactions (which I had many) with Ghug, just to shade me and Bob (which in this case isn't his scumpartner and that's why I am happy with me x Fox) and this fit what I remember from Fox as scum.

I answer all things people questioned me in good faith (I remember Vecna, Summit and Worcej at least). I stated my opinion everytime I can and I don't remember you considering it. You didn't make any question, you just keep shading me and I don't understand this play.

[Foxcastle]

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Well, Chaqa wasn't around yet, so you can stop implying that somehow I left him out. Sarah had done nothing at all, so not mentioning her was because there was nothing to mention.

And I don't have a good answer on ghug. I don't like interacting with him, I find him hard to read. Obviously, you're gunning for a scumread on me, so ask yourself: if I were ghug's teammate, would I have left him off so conspicuously?

I think it is funny that you are so touchy about me asking you a question about your reads. Also, I was just identifying the sarah/chaqa slot. I wasn't saying anything about you specifically leaving chaqa out since he wasn't in the game so not sure why you are talking about that instead of answering the question.

You had already read ghug in a previous post and had actually said on page 25;

"Ghug is on my list because I have a hard time reading him (even having just been scum with him), and something says I want to scumread him; while I don't think Vecna is scum, if I'm wrong about that, ghug and Vecna could be scum together and done a cutesy little dance for us all a few pages back. So Worcej gets an explanation because I can point to a general change in behavior; ghug doesn't get an explanation because it's just a gut reaction."

I just thought it was interesting he was on your list toward middle of day 1 when no one was pressuring him and then notably absent from your list after he was one of the people on the bunny wagon that flipped town.

I get touchy about people asking loaded questions, yes. When you insinuate I was avoiding mentioning Sarah/Chaqa early on, people don't think "oh, that makes sense, Sarah never said anything of consequence and Chaqa subbed in late." Because people are dumb and looking for straws to grasp, they think "Wow, why did Foxcastle avoid Chaqa on Day 1! Must be something weird there!"

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.5

Foxcastle (6) - Rdrivera, worcej, Summit, Seth, Bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian
rdrivera2005 (5) - Foxcastle, BobMcBob, Durga, Damo666, TrPrado
BobMcBob (1) - Bo_Sox

EMC must participate or he will face modkill.

FOXCASTLE is now set to be hanged.

8 hours remain in the day.

[Foxcastle]

Does anybody think foxcastle has put in honest effort to solve this game? I've townread the slot for most of the game. But where the hell is the analysis after 2 scum have been offed?

This is crap reasoning. You're creating some arbitrary measure of how much work indicates who is town. Have you ranked everyone else on their "honest efforts"?