MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[seth24c]

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Well, Chaqa wasn't around yet, so you can stop implying that somehow I left him out. Sarah had done nothing at all, so not mentioning her was because there was nothing to mention.

And I don't have a good answer on ghug. I don't like interacting with him, I find him hard to read. Obviously, you're gunning for a scumread on me, so ask yourself: if I were ghug's teammate, would I have left him off so conspicuously?

I think it is funny that you are so touchy about me asking you a question about your reads. Also, I was just identifying the sarah/chaqa slot. I wasn't saying anything about you specifically leaving chaqa out since he wasn't in the game so not sure why you are talking about that instead of answering the question.

You had already read ghug in a previous post and had actually said on page 25;

"Ghug is on my list because I have a hard time reading him (even having just been scum with him), and something says I want to scumread him; while I don't think Vecna is scum, if I'm wrong about that, ghug and Vecna could be scum together and done a cutesy little dance for us all a few pages back. So Worcej gets an explanation because I can point to a general change in behavior; ghug doesn't get an explanation because it's just a gut reaction."

I just thought it was interesting he was on your list toward middle of day 1 when no one was pressuring him and then notably absent from your list after he was one of the people on the bunny wagon that flipped town.

[TrPrado]

##UNVOTE it's probably best to take Bob out of contention for today

[seth24c]

Seth, yes, every motivation of mine should be to make sure town wins. We’re just going to have to disagree about it at this point. Bozo succinctly addressed the issue and I am going to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

Must have missed that. Nothing personal just trying to understand your thought process. I'm surprised it hasn't gathered more attention with the specific win conditions of the 3rd parties in this game.

[Durga]

##UNVOTE it's probably best to take Bob out of contention for today

Can I convince you to vote rdr?

[rdrivera2005]

Because he made a case on 3p?

lol. I guess he could be scum wanting us to hunt the 3p for them. If I could figure out if ghug was bussing him or not this would be a lot easier.

He could be the witch wanting us to believe there is a warlock in the game. Who knows?

He could be a Warlock who choosed Bo to be today's kill. Who knows.

But honestly I think he have good points. Bo's play is a bit erratic this game but he wasn't giving scummy vibes. 3P fits really well in his play.

[TrPrado]

##UNVOTE it's probably best to take Bob out of contention for today

Can I convince you to vote rdr?

With him as one of the top wagons I'm going back to reread him. He and Fox had been kind of sending warning signals to me, but Fox has answered my questions in a way I consider satisfactory. It's not unlikely, but I want to double check. Is there anything specifically you think I should look at regarding him?

[rdrivera2005]

##UNVOTE it's probably best to take Bob out of contention for today

Can I convince you to vote rdr?

Durma, if you are really town I suggest you start to look for another target today. If you are scum, keep coming. I won't be today's kill.

[Durga]

##UNVOTE it's probably best to take Bob out of contention for today

Can I convince you to vote rdr?

Durma, if you are really town I suggest you start to look for another target today. If you are scum, keep coming. I won't be today's kill.

Yikes, I don't know what you're trying to say here but why can't you think town!Durga would push you here? Town!Vecna did

[Hamilton Brian]

Prado, Brian, kinda worcej, probably at least one of Vecna/bo/bozo. Feels like Yoyo's replacement triggered a lot of movement to flash, either because someone saw an opportunity to save him or because they thought pressure was going to drop off and wanted a new wagon to push.

Coming back to this...how likely would ghug have been to mention one of his teammates in this list? Is kinda a bit of a reveal? Is at least one of a reveal of possible scum? 6 names.

[Durga]

lol. I guess he could be scum wanting us to hunt the 3p for them. If I could figure out if ghug was bussing him or not this would be a lot easier.

He could be the witch wanting us to believe there is a warlock in the game. Who knows?

He could be a Warlock who choosed Bo to be today's kill. Who knows.

But honestly I think he have good points. Bo's play is a bit erratic this game but he wasn't giving scummy vibes. 3P fits really well in his play.

He's not even pushing to kill Bo so what are you saying

[summit_fever]

lol. I guess he could be scum wanting us to hunt the 3p for them. If I could figure out if ghug was bussing him or not this would be a lot easier.

He could be the witch wanting us to believe there is a warlock in the game. Who knows?

He could be a Warlock who choosed Bo to be today's kill. Who knows.

But honestly I think he have good points. Bo's play is a bit erratic this game but he wasn't giving scummy vibes. 3P fits really well in his play.

I think it's possible. I can't imagine Bo would enjoy that role. Good thing that lake is around.

[Durga]

Prado, Brian, kinda worcej, probably at least one of Vecna/bo/bozo. Feels like Yoyo's replacement triggered a lot of movement to flash, either because someone saw an opportunity to save him or because they thought pressure was going to drop off and wanted a new wagon to push.

Coming back to this...how likely would ghug have been to mention one of his teammates in this list? Is kinda a bit of a reveal? Is at least one of a reveal of possible scum? 6 names.

Honestly I'd be shocked if he didn't mix it up but we really don't know

[rdrivera2005]

Can I convince you to vote rdr?

Durma, if you are really town I suggest you start to look for another target today. If you are scum, keep coming. I won't be today's kill.

Yikes, I don't know what you're trying to say here but why can't you think town!Durga would push you here? Town!Vecna did

I am starting to think you might be scum. Vecna pushed me a bit on start and not later. You are twisting things on purpose.

And I should stop playing as I have drinked too much wine today.

[Hamilton Brian]

A couple of days ago I was starting the deep dive into Bo_. I came to the conclusion that he was town, or at least townie, so didn't post it since I contradicted my hypothesis. I am going to present it here as something alongside TrPrado's grand hypothesis.

Any points I make after the initial writing are in bold.

Start: First off, Bo_’s voting record:

Day 1: Started on Bunny and then ended on Damo; nothing too significant in that since consensus seems to be that those wagons were mostly town v town. Bismarck was also on that wagon, and replaced by EMC. I don’t think Bo_ and EMC form a team. Maybe Bo and Durga? Durga needs a good read-through again.Which I did do, and was convinced that Durga is at least not mafia Am looking at the ghug-seth tandem on the Bunny vote, and I swear I just get negative vibes-out from Seth. But this is about Bo.

Day 2: If anything, Bo_ has been pretty good in this game with not dropping his vote all helter-skelter. Dropped it on Summit to start, ended it with Flash.

So details are important.

Day 1 voting.
“I’ll annoy Bunny.” What’s up with that?
Went unvote with this gem: “Lol okay but really is my dumb fuck-this-shit vote really on the leading wagon? I suck at this game.”
For the Damo vote: “lol ##vote…” First vote on Damo was Bis/Emc, then it was Bo_, and it was after Damo shared about voting for non-compliers.

Not the most compelling argument, but the easy drop into dismissiveness suggests not wanting to engage too much.

Day 2 voting:
Voted for Summit after TrP asked if Bo_ wanted to go in on the wagon with them. Meh. Very early in Day 2 so for sure there’d be lazy votes thrown up just to throw them up.
Votes for Flash after Vecna called Flash out. “I’m down for some fresh blood.” ***

Things that don’t sit well based on posts:

walls of text; anti-town. I’m punching a hole in my argument here, but I think pro-town would be to make your point, quickly and succinctly.

Seemingly easily frustrated: Why am I getting myself riled up, viewtopic.php?p=169938#p169938

Running confrontation with Bozo; is it generating anything or gaining any ground?

When Damo asked who his biggest scum reads are, Bo_ declared Damo, then gave a big explanation. That counters my original argument.

End

So obviously, I need to go back in the posts to see if I did post an "I think Bo is town," and hopefully remind myself what it was that I saw that made me assured he was town. I'm not feeling it now, and the rest of Day 2, N2, D3 need to be taken into consideration. Thanks for sowing more seeds of doubt TrP! :)

[Hamilton Brian]

And I should stop playing as I have drinked too much wine today.

That was me last night. Mafia and the drink are not a good combination!

[seth24c]

I am fine to continue voting for Durga. I think too-cool-for-school Durga (e.g., not reading the setup, not reading the thread, etc) is somewhat scum indicative.

We should not be policy killing SarahK at this point. Day 1 is too important for that, we need a referendum on an actual player who might be scum.

I would potentially vote for Worcej or Ghug over Durga at this point, though. I think Worcej is playing too nicely. Bozo is obviously town to me—he's focusing way too much on small inconsistencies, so he will probably end up tunneling on a townie.

Here is why I am confused fox, you say here you would potentially vote for ghug or worcej. This is on page 25 before ghug is one of the players on the bunny wagon, which could theoretically have been more suspicious than he was at this point? Then you ignore him pretty much from this point on. Just doesn't add up to me.

Sorry last post about it just had to complete the thought.

[summit_fever]

Does anybody think foxcastle has put in honest effort to solve this game? I've townread the slot for most of the game. But where the hell is the analysis after 2 scum have been offed?

[Durga]

Durma, if you are really town I suggest you start to look for another target today. If you are scum, keep coming. I won't be today's kill.

Yikes, I don't know what you're trying to say here but why can't you think town!Durga would push you here? Town!Vecna did

I am starting to think you might be scum. Vecna pushed me a bit on start and not later. You are twisting things on purpose.

And I should stop playing as I have drinked too much wine today.

Go on rdr, push me as scum then, I'm fine with that as long as you tell me why and make a cohérent case that will help everyone read you.

Why? Playing mafia when you're drunk is great if you're town :)

[summit_fever]

oh snap the rcmp has just received a complaint on my social insurance number.. best get on this!

[summit_fever]

oh snap the rcmp has just received a complaint on my social insurance number.. best get on this!

fucking pricks. I miss the days when prank calls were some punks laughing in the background