MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Why?

[Foxcastle]

Oh if this includes quotes it's probably hella inaccurate. Do you usually do stuff like this as town, fox?

Obviously, since I'm doing it now.

But it depends. Do you consider building a POE spreadsheet as "stuff like this"? Because I did that in that game a while ago where you and Balki scumread me to hell (not the most recent. Also not the one before that. The one before both of those...) but managed to come back and... lose the game, I think?

Also, I don't recall exactly what it was I did in my first game (M33), but I did go do some useless data gathering like this to look busy. So... it could go either way.

[TrPrado]

How often Ghug and Chaqa mention other players.

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          GHUG      CHAQA
Chaqa        7 
Ghug                 4
Bozo        19       0
Bo          19       9
Damo        22       4
Durga       58       6
EMC          0      12
Fox         14       4
Hamilton    12       5
Rdr          7       1
Seth        28       0
Summit      18       0
Worcej      20       1
Bob          5       4
Vecna       18       7

(Based on CTRL-F'ing their ISO. Includes quoting other players and players mentioned in quotes. I've corrected for a couple things, like how BobMcBob's username counts twice.)

I get flash and HR being omitted, but myself, Yoyo, and Bismarck? And why keep damo on the list?

[summit_fever]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Wait how does ghug mention emc 0 times

ghug did mention bismarck a few times. "why the hell are you voting for bismarck" springs to mind.

[Foxcastle]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Why?

I think ghug and chaqa are both careful enough scum players to casually mention their teammates, and Rdr and Bob both fit that description for both of them.

(I didn't say I did a peer-reviewed study. I said I eyeballed it.)

[Foxcastle]

How often Ghug and Chaqa mention other players.

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          GHUG      CHAQA
Chaqa        7 
Ghug                 4
Bozo        19       0
Bo          19       9
Damo        22       4
Durga       58       6
EMC          0      12
Fox         14       4
Hamilton    12       5
Rdr          7       1
Seth        28       0
Summit      18       0
Worcej      20       1
Bob          5       4
Vecna       18       7

(Based on CTRL-F'ing their ISO. Includes quoting other players and players mentioned in quotes. I've corrected for a couple things, like how BobMcBob's username counts twice.)

I get flash and HR being omitted, but myself, Yoyo, and Bismarck? And why keep damo on the list?

Sorry, I just missed you, TrP. Leaving Yoyo and Bismarck off is just me being sloppy.
I kept Damo and Vecna on the list as controls.

[summit_fever]

can we not quote that thing anymore. my eyes.

[Foxcastle]

How often Ghug and Chaqa mention other players, corrected and updated.

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          GHUG      CHAQA
Chaqa        7 
Ghug                 4
Bozo        19       0
Bo          19       9
Damo        22       4
Durga       58       6
EMC          15      13
Fox         14       4
Hamilton    12       5
Rdr          7       1
Seth        28       0
Summit      18       0
TrPrado	    19	     1
Worcej      20       1
Bob          23       10
Vecna       18       7

(Based on CTRL-F'ing their ISO. Includes quoting other players and players mentioned in quotes. I've corrected for a couple things, like how BobMcBob's username counts twice. Bob includes Yoyo mention, EMC includes Bismarck mentions.)

[Foxcastle]

So not Bob anymore. Oops.

[Durga]

I conclude absolutely nothing from this chart, but it's cool that you could paste it like that on webdip

[summit_fever]

I'm curious about the discrepency between Chaqa's mentions of bob and damo. I would imagine that bob being a leading wagon on day 2 might have something to do with it though.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm more interested in why you're keeping it from us than what it actually is. I have my doubts that you have anything that mindblowing up your sleeve.

Which is why it just sounds like an excuse to put actual thinking off until later.

Maybe? In my eyes it's really dumb if he's town, yet dumber if he's mafia. I just don't understand it.

That's odd, but he was asking for information about the wagon instead of actually doing his own research so I don't think it's fair to say he excluded it entirely.

I know I am biased, but it look like a defense on Yoyo/Bob at first, then after realizing Yoyo was a wagon D1 he can´t not include him in his possible votes (but never voted him).

How are you biased, and what do you see that indicates he’s defending Yoyo/Bob?

I am biased because I think Bob is scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Just eyeballing that makes me think Rdr and Bob.

Why I am not surprised with the conclusion?

Let's make a deal. We flip Bob today and you can flip me tomorrow. I will even vote myself. If you really think we are both scum this is a great deal for you.

[summit_fever]

I'm only counting 6 original mentions of bob/yoyo in chaqa's iso. Not sure I like the ctrl-f approach.

[Foxcastle]

I'm only counting 6 original mentions of bob/yoyo in chaqa's iso. Not sure I like the ctrl-f approach.

Yeah, I'm parsing it in anyway or cleaning the data.

[bo_sox48]

I am biased because I think Bob is scum.

I don't think that makes you biased, but that's fine. What do you think of the other half of that question?

[summit_fever]

I also think Foxcastle has a solid and logical mind, yet this is the crap we get served up. Foxcastle wanted me to believe Bunny's flip was great because of all the information we'd get from it. Well, where is that information? I've read the iso numerous times and my eureka moment hasn't hit. We've flipped two scum but you haven't shown much interest in digging through the information available there. We get a ctrl-f'd summary of name drops.

##vote foxcastle

[rdrivera2005]

I am biased because I think Bob is scum.

I don't think that makes you biased, but that's fine. What do you think of the other half of that question?

Back on cell now, hard to dig, which other half? I think I miss it.

[rdrivera2005]

I also think Foxcastle has a solid and logical mind, yet this is the crap we get served up. Foxcastle wanted me to believe Bunny's flip was great because of all the information we'd get from it. Well, where is that information? I've read the iso numerous times and my eureka moment hasn't hit. We've flipped two scum but you haven't shown much interest in digging through the information available there. We get a ctrl-f'd summary of name drops.

##vote foxcastle

This is my man!

[bo_sox48]

He wasn't asking for information about the day 1 yoyo wagon. He was asking for information about the day 2 yoyo wagon, which was in the lead at the time.

A consistent thought process (for town anyway. I assume scum try to emulate this as well) would have gone something along the lines of: "yoyo is day 2 lead wagon and I'm happy to flip that because I'm happy to flip one of the day 1 secondary wagons %%vote yoyo"

You're right, he is asking about day 2, but I just felt like he was asking in a totally normal Chaqa-esque way "hey, I haven't read shit and don't know what the fuck is happening, what's up with the lead wagon because that's the only thing I can be bothered to think about for 5 seconds?"

I agree with you though, it is odd that he didn't want to address the Bob wagon. That's a definite connection between him and Bob and a good catch.