MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[TrPrado]

Bo, who do you want to vote for right now?

[Durga]

Bo, what do you think about Tr's whole "I have a case but I wanna see how this person acts today" thing?

[worcej]

I do not understand the emc votes, I do not see anything about his D2 interaction with Chaqa that makes me suspect emc is mafia.

I'm with you on this one. Emc is a bit of a lurker and not a huge help so far but he seems genuine this game.

Being genuine when you lurk is not a difficult task.

[worcej]

Man it sure is fun and quirky for literally everyone to take my quotes out of context!!!!!!!!!!!!

Am I part of everyone?

[worcej]

Can anyone point me to a game I can read where someone claimed RB? I don't remember if it happened in the Matrix one or not.

I claim RB usually anytime I get hit with it.

[Durga]

I've never not immediately claimed rb whenever I've got it. I understand why this game might be more complicated, but if that was the case I would have expected Tr to say something like "I wasn't sure if it would help 3p or not" versus "I didn't know if the meta changed"

[worcej]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

Do you think anything of the fact that 2/3 of the unlisted turned out to be scum?

[worcej]

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

Maybe is just oversight but for two of the three to be confirmed mafia is so suspect.

tbf sarah didn't post at all so there wasn't much to go for that slot, but i can't explain why foxy didn't mention ghug, and while i have my suspicions i don't wanna speak for foxy

I should read further...

[bo_sox48]

That said, the reason I say assuming that is dangerous is because if the mafia are aware of that mechanic, they could easily consider the RB a safe way to townclear themselves, and while thus the risk is 50/50 that a virgin exists the reward of not targeting them in order to ensure one of them can go deep into the game might be worth it.

This is entirely possible. I am trying to put myself in scum's shoes and I would be of the mindset to ensure the following:

1. Only one member of the scum team is doing the kills to limit the potential impact of the Bloodhound.
2. Use the RB early on the target we are killing in case they are a doctor and are self saving.
3. Once done, spread the RB around to nerf the Virgin, Cop, and Bloodhound.

The only problem I have with this is it doesn’t address why Prado got it. If you’re gonna risk clearing people, I would start with the most widely townread person, which with Vecna gone is Durga, as opposed to going for someone that could be a mislynch. They’re down by a lot; they can’t afford to narrow down the suspect pool.

Bo, who do you want to vote for right now?

Bob, but I’m in no hurry. He’s under plenty of pressure and I’d love to hear some responses with actual substance from him first.

Bo, what do you think about Tr's whole "I have a case but I wanna see how this person acts today" thing?

I’m not sure what you’re referencing, is this today?

[TrPrado]

I've never not immediately claimed rb whenever I've got it. I understand why this game might be more complicated, but if that was the case I would have expected Tr to say something like "I wasn't sure if it would help 3p or not" versus "I didn't know if the meta changed"

If I were on the scum team why would I ask this now and in public?

[summit_fever]

Oh ALSO, someone pressure summit for always being at the right place at the right time and being so keen to do visually useful things like updated colourized vote counts minutes after the flip but also not really standing out too much. Thanks

Do you think ghug was bussing or trying to miskill prado? And I like the colourised vote counts. Without xorxes they don't seem to get done as often.

I missed this question. Recent posts should show where my mind is on this. Would like to hear your thoughts.

I was a leading wagon at the time ghug voted prado. Perhaps ghug was guessing I was the likely flip at that time and thought he could look good pushing a little on prado.

I've been townreading prado generally, though I haven't felt that read harden until today. The roleblock claim is probably legitimate. I doubt there were many reading vecna as a possible PR.

[Durga]

@Bo from this day and from the previous day, are you reading all the posts? (No shade, just wondering why you've missed it when I've brought it up a few times)

Also, Bob posted two pretty substantive posts - engage with those maybe?

[Durga]

I've never not immediately claimed rb whenever I've got it. I understand why this game might be more complicated, but if that was the case I would have expected Tr to say something like "I wasn't sure if it would help 3p or not" versus "I didn't know if the meta changed"

If I were on the scum team why would I ask this now and in public?

There are a lot of things scum team members do that are unnatural and wrong

[TrPrado]

Bo, didn’t you say yesterday people should vote relatively early? Has something changed?

[bo_sox48]

Is this an example of what you're referring to with Prado? This is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. I read up this morning but it was a skim while waking up, so I don't know what I really digested.

I think we should save Seth until tomorrow, I have something I want to look into but don’t have time now

##VOTE BOBMCBOB

He and Yoyo have both seemed like they’re more concerned about optics and seeming useful than actually solving the game.

[worcej]

Alright, I have a potentially bad idea, but hear me out:

If the IC is a leading wagon at any point going forward, should they just fire it off so we move one instead of wasting the time?

I bring this up because scum will be forced to keep one of them (damo or the IC) alive until the 3P is found and eliminated. This creates a town clear that we can rally behind.

Also, if said PR is actually a virgin, you should never claim if you're being lynched and just let it happen.

[bo_sox48]

Bo, didn’t you say yesterday people should vote relatively early? Has something changed?

I said we should coalesce early, yes. Why would that have changed?

[Durga]

Is this an example of what you're referring to with Prado? This is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. I read up this morning but it was a skim while waking up, so I don't know what I really digested.

I think we should save Seth until tomorrow, I have something I want to look into but don’t have time now

##VOTE BOBMCBOB

He and Yoyo have both seemed like they’re more concerned about optics and seeming useful than actually solving the game.

if you havent found it i'll find it after my meeting

[rdrivera2005]

Well, Bob built a case on me. Weak and with a lot hypocrisy, but it was a case. I will keep my side of the deal and won't tunnel him. The only thing I agree is I am being lazy, and it's true, I didn't have the time I was expecting
to play and I am almost just catching up the thread with few digging on old posts.

##vote Fox.

Why don't you respond to specifics? The more you post the worse it's getting rdr

Which specifics? I honestly think I answered all the questions addressed to me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Can anyone point me to a game I can read where someone claimed RB? I don't remember if it happened in the Matrix one or not.

I claim RB usually anytime I get hit with it.

I suppose I am thinking that it is a lot easier to get away with faking a role block then,say, fake-claiming a role. Yes?