MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[seth24c]

I thought I had an another hour before EOD and was just catching up on the last couple pages when the phase was called. I would have voted for Bunny.

I did just see this where fox justifies why he didn't vote for bunny.

[seth24c]

So when you posted with three minutes to go and saw the wagons were consolidating you didn't feel it was important to make your vote known and try to prevent a tie? You could have prevented the tie if you voted?

Not sure; what did I say?

This was your post with three minutes left.. Not sure why the post matters, I'm really just curious why if you are a town player you wouldn't vote to try to prevent the tie?

What was Fox’s response to my vote on Dsy 2?

[Hamilton Brian]

This was your post with three minutes left.. Not sure why the post matters, I'm really just curious why if you are a town player you wouldn't vote to try to prevent the tie?

The post matters because it would've been an insight into my though process. It's probable that I didn't see it was tied at that point. If I recall, Worcej was leading. I also seem to remember, and correct me if I am wrong, but Vecna was not on any wagon at that point.

Oh, and wrt my post, I think Fox declared my D2 vote worthless, so I was commenting on that.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, Bob built a case on me. Weak and with a lot hypocrisy, but it was a case. I will keep my side of the deal and won't tunnel him. The only thing I agree is I am being lazy, and it's true, I didn't have the time I was expecting
to play and I am almost just catching up the thread with few digging on old posts.

##vote Fox.

[Durga]

Well, Bob built a case on me. Weak and with a lot hypocrisy, but it was a case. I will keep my side of the deal and won't tunnel him. The only thing I agree is I am being lazy, and it's true, I didn't have the time I was expecting
to play and I am almost just catching up the thread with few digging on old posts.

##vote Fox.

Why don't you respond to specifics? The more you post the worse it's getting rdr

[BobMcBob]

For one thing I really dislike Fox's opening. He goes off on some completely useless mechs tangent, and I mean completely useless. He talks about all sorts of edge cases that are almost certain to never come up except in the case of a very dumb lie detector. He blames damo for busywork, but this seems a lot like busywork to me as well.

(Look, paragraphs!) He spends a whole lot of D1 being suspicious of Durga and Vecna, and not a great many others, although thug makes the list. Not necessarily indicative of anything, just interesting.

Then he starts his entanglement with worcej. He blames him for not being abrasive and all that, which is fair I guess but also a very meta way to read someone for a person that dislikes the meta reads on himself. Just doesn't quite add up to me.

He seems to focus a lot on worcej from here, with only a brief stint voting flash. Reading this does make me realise how much I agree with some of his assessments of worcej though, he's had a very contradictory game so far, that also has been very detrimental to town, although there are some weird shenanigans going on with him band his voting that still make me unsure.

I think one of my least favourite parts about Fox is his objection to the meta reads on him while simultaneously having his main read as a meta read, a very convenient way to push a kill too. But on rereading he's honestly not as bad as I remember, so I'm going to lay off him for a a bit. I think he's more likely 3P than mafia too, so depends what type of scum we'd prefer to hit.

At this point I'd like to give the rivera wagon a little bit more energy, so ##vote rdrivera. I'll be going to sleep now, so that's it for tonight. I'll be back tomorrow and will try to at least do one on Prado.

[seth24c]

This was your post with three minutes left.. Not sure why the post matters, I'm really just curious why if you are a town player you wouldn't vote to try to prevent the tie?

The post matters because it would've been an insight into my though process. It's probable that I didn't see it was tied at that point. If I recall, Worcej was leading. I also seem to remember, and correct me if I am wrong, but Vecna was not on any wagon at that point.

Oh, and wrt my post, I think Fox declared my D2 vote worthless, so I was commenting on that.

So you didn't think it was important to vote for either of the top wagons? Do you or did you have reads on bob/worcej? I'm getting the feeling you just don't want to be blamed or found suspicious for voting.

[Durga]

I love how you call him thug.

Also, good work on putting in more effort in two posts than rdr and TrPrado have done the entire game

[BobMcBob]

I love how you call him thug.

Also, good work on putting in more effort in two posts than rdr and TrPrado have done the entire game

Lmao stupid autocorrect. I don't pick up on all of them apparently. Also glad to see someone thinks those posts were actually helpful in some way.

[bo_sox48]

Well, Bob built a case on me. Weak and with a lot hypocrisy, but it was a case. I will keep my side of the deal and won't tunnel him. The only thing I agree is I am being lazy, and it's true, I didn't have the time I was expecting
to play and I am almost just catching up the thread with few digging on old posts.

##vote Fox.

What in the fuck is this?

[bo_sox48]

Bob, why can't you actually write a normal reply to me instead of burying your responses in the middle of a wall of text?

[Hamilton Brian]

So you didn't think it was important to vote for either of the top wagons? Do you or did you have reads on bob/worcej? I'm getting the feeling you just don't want to be blamed or found suspicious for voting.

At that particular point, no, I didn't feel it was necessary to vote for those particular wagons.

I had a negative read on YoyoBob. However, I shifted my vote off of them.

I have no read on Worcej, even with the theatre from Day 2.

My logic on the matter of voting is that there is something way more suspicious about someone jumping on a runaway wagon with one minute to go than someone setting aside a vote based on conviction. I felt strongest about Bob on Day 2 and cast my final vote there. I felt strongest about you on Day 3, and set my final vote there. I don't like last-minute jumping. I view it as negatively as being the first person to hammer a day's end. Now, if in Mafia theory, this is a fallacy in play, then I'll stand corrected.

[worcej]

Wait so nobody has claimed roleblock between D2 through now, has nobody been roleblocked yet or do we think scum are killing their RB targets or are people against that now?

I believe scum are using RB and kill on the same target, as per normal.

[worcej]

Oh you were curious too? I was afraid people didn't like it for some reason

I was RB'd last night

Looks like my theory just got wiped out.

[worcej]

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).

One thing that does make me think you're scum is how you're latching on to me and Durga. In previous games where you've been up for the kill, you weren't so tunnely and actually tried to help town win. Here, not so much.

Okay wait what the fuck is happening here?

Fox was being incredibly evasive to my questioning.

[worcej]

Okay, reading d2 I'm actually changing my mind on bo I think. I think some of his reactions have been non-mafia. And he has demonstrated a lot of thinking, and while I don't agree with that thinking always, it is hard to think when you're scum.

On the other hand, tr is deliberately ignoring me in the least townie way possible. And his interactions with ghug do not scream town tr to me.

What do people think of this team?
ghug-chaqa-trprado-yoyo/bob

Because this is what I'm leaning towards. I know I've switched it up like a million times but this is where I'm currently at. If I'm wrong about one of these (and if I am, I think it's yoyo/bob - because i'm starting to think its just a red herring bc of how much everyone is pushing this slot) then rdr or bo is likely it.

I don't know who 3p is but I'm fairly sure bozo, summit, worcej, emc, and fuck even seth probably are not mafia.

Thankfully we have two PRs + damo left. It feels like this is our game to lose.

Where does Fox, rdr, and HB land in your thoughts?

[bo_sox48]

Bob, why can't you actually write a normal reply to me instead of burying your responses in the middle of a wall of text?

I’ll create quotes for you, Bob, since you’re too useless to use the tool yourself. This is gonna be Q&A style, I guess, with my questions italicized.

The rest of this post, though… what is it? It seemed like you were about to make a point and prove it, but then you just didn’t.

I don't know, I guess I just didn't elaborate properly

You went off on a tangent that had nothing to do with what you were talking about. What did you intend to elaborate that you did not convey properly?

I don’t understand the uncertainty about Yoyo.

Already addressed

Not to any satisfactory degree. Please address this.

Who is guaranteed town?

Me of course

It read as if you were referring to Prado. Regardless, you did not have a single vote on you, and this was 5 hours before EOD. Why are you concerned about dying?

Please provide us with your (vote count) analysis.

I thought I could get something but it turned out to be quite lame and I kinda couldn't be bothered. Durga is almost certainly town because of Chaqa, but then I couldn't get anything much from D3. Like there are some late movers but I didn't find them overly suspicious, and i think the most likely explanation is most of them were just moving to the two clearly leading wagons and trying to break the tie later. I could easily see scum hiding in that movement though. Durga emc and summit flip-flopped, but I don't think it's really indicative of anything. Could be a confusion tactic, could be tie-breaking. Summit was the first voter in the stampede, which is interesting, and fox tied the vote earlier, which is more interesting.

Why is summit being the first voter interesting, and why is Fox tying the vote more interesting? It would be helpful if you could share your thought process with the class as opposed to empty conclusions.

Are your scumreads based on analysis?

Very cursory analysis, yes.

What’s the analysis? How did you come to the conclusions you reached?

I don’t know how your responses to me could have been more empty than they were other than by just not replying. The point of this game isn’t to be right and then close the page; it’s to convince others, and to be open to being convinced by others, of the conclusions you should be reaching. You don’t accomplish that by posting things with absolutely nothing to substantiate them, and you do all of us trying to figure out who you are no favors when you act like we’re dumb and lazy for not knowing what goes on in your head.

[bo_sox48]

Oh you were curious too? I was afraid people didn't like it for some reason

I was RB'd last night

Looks like my theory just got wiped out.

Do you believe him?

[worcej]

Man went from

"Don't discuss games I wasn't in" to "I didn't know if I was allowed to claim roleblock anymore uwu ~~~"

I also thought the his comments about the RB to be weird, but not really AI.

[worcej]

Oh you were curious too? I was afraid people didn't like it for some reason

I was RB'd last night

Looks like my theory just got wiped out.

Do you believe him?

Honestly, yes I do at this point.

I would strongly believe the scum would RB stack on flash due to the potential of him being the doctor (which he was) and with that role eliminated, the RB should be spread around to potentially stop the two other PRs.