MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[seth24c]

And also yeah I'll try to bang up a similar summary on Fox in a bit, or maybe Prado.

Why have you decided on fox/rdr? Do you think they are scum together?

I will say after my reading of fox during last phase I found him to be very suspicious. I probably need to read again but I am thinking it is possible he is goon or more likely 3p.

[Hamilton Brian]

WRT TrP, the exchange with Ghug:

My other top town reads are damo and seth, but they're kinda obv at this point aren't they? I don't understand what people are targeting you for but I've always found you really easy to read anyway and I haven't picked any kind of scummy vibe from you, the three of you actually seem like you care even if you are all off base and I disagree with literally everything you're saying.

It's viewtopic.php?p=168981#p168981 for reference.

The subsequent rationalization to Durga: "I had always felt he was super easy to read so I figured if he were scum he would stand out to me more, and responding to him felt like a waste of time. I townread him and said as much." viewtopic.php?p=170984#p170984

There's something here that I am not crazy about. Add that to the claim, and the "I've got a theory I'm working on," feels like someone that wants to extend their time in the game and dissuade any digging.

[Hamilton Brian]

And also yeah I'll try to bang up a similar summary on Fox in a bit, or maybe Prado.

Why have you decided on fox/rdr? Do you think they are scum together?

I will say after my reading of fox during last phase I found him to be very suspicious. I probably need to read again but I am thinking it is possible he is goon or more likely 3p.

Please provide one thing that stands out to you as suspicious. First thing that comes to mind.

[seth24c]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

[seth24c]

Why have you decided on fox/rdr? Do you think they are scum together?

I will say after my reading of fox during last phase I found him to be very suspicious. I probably need to read again but I am thinking it is possible he is goon or more likely 3p.

Please provide one thing that stands out to you as suspicious. First thing that comes to mind.

Most of my analysis is not based on meta as I don't know anyone's meta or play style so he is suspicious to me both based on the interactions he has had with the two players we now know are scum and also his voting record.

[seth24c]

I will say after my reading of fox during last phase I found him to be very suspicious. I probably need to read again but I am thinking it is possible he is goon or more likely 3p.

Please provide one thing that stands out to you as suspicious. First thing that comes to mind.

Most of my analysis is not based on meta as I don't know anyone's meta or play style so he is suspicious to me both based on the interactions he has had with the two players we now know are scum and also his voting record.

For example, day one he was happy to call out bunny as not playing like "his town self" but then didn't end the phase voting for bunny.

[seth24c]

Speaking of which, why have you never been on a wagon that mattered at the end of a phase HB?

[Hamilton Brian]

Bad luck and honest conviction? I think I explain my votes during the subsequent nights but if you have a question about a specific one, ask away.

[seth24c]

Bad luck and honest conviction? I think I explain my votes during the subsequent nights but if you have a question about a specific one, ask away.

So at the end of day three why didn't you vote for either of the two main wagons?

[rdrivera2005]

I recommend this thing we have in English called paragraphs. It makes reading easier, Bob

+1

It was painful to read.

[Hamilton Brian]

That Fox post you, Seth, pasted is interesting in a wonky way.

I haven't played long enough to have a sense of any meta on any of the players. I don't think it's anything one can go back and study up, especially while the game is happening. I think it's an intuitive, experiential development.

[Durga]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

[seth24c]

That Fox post you, Seth, pasted is interesting in a wonky way.

I haven't played long enough to have a sense of any meta on any of the players. I don't think it's anything one can go back and study up, especially while the game is happening. I think it's an intuitive, experiential development.

Interesting in a wonky way? Can you explain? To me it is suspicious that ghug is just absent from the list. If he had even put ghug in the town column I would be less suspicious than I am that he doesn't appear at all.

[seth24c]

I think Day 1 was TvT and that scum mostly weren't driving any outcome. The Bismarck wagon helped them, and there may be scum there, but I think town is perfectly capable of getting to yesterday's EOD unassisted.

I think the scum team is in: Worcej, Flash, TrPrado, Rdrivera, and Summit. After that, I'd look at Yoyo and Durga. Maybe HR.

Damo is not mafia. Vecna is not mafia. Bozo is not mafia. Seth is not mafia. Hamilton is not mafia. Bo is not mafia.

(Again, if there is a lie detector, "X is not Mafia" statements potentially give them a town clear in addition to catching mafia. This is the actual statement we should be making people type out, but I doubt town has the tolerance for another round of that.)

If I were the WD, I would target Vecna tonight.
If I were the Desperado, I would target Worcej.

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

Maybe is just oversight but for two of the three to be confirmed mafia is so suspect.

[Hamilton Brian]

Bad luck and honest conviction? I think I explain my votes during the subsequent nights but if you have a question about a specific one, ask away.

So at the end of day three why didn't you vote for either of the two main wagons?

Fair question. There was traction on you and I parked the vote there with about 30 minutes to go. That's the conviction piece. Given the way you were flailing I didn't expect people would jump off your wagon like that.

[Durga]

Well Bismarck is technically mentioned.

Also, would be very shocked if scum!ghug pushed scum!HB like that

[Durga]

Fox why didn't ghug or sarah/chaqa make this list on either side when all the other active players (and even yoyo) made the list? Especially since you and ghug had already had several interactions? This is from page 48.

Players not listed: ghug, sarah/chaqa, bismarck/emc

Maybe is just oversight but for two of the three to be confirmed mafia is so suspect.

tbf sarah didn't post at all so there wasn't much to go for that slot, but i can't explain why foxy didn't mention ghug, and while i have my suspicions i don't wanna speak for foxy

[seth24c]

Bad luck and honest conviction? I think I explain my votes during the subsequent nights but if you have a question about a specific one, ask away.

So at the end of day three why didn't you vote for either of the two main wagons?

Fair question. There was traction on you and I parked the vote there with about 30 minutes to go. That's the conviction piece. Given the way you were flailing I didn't expect people would jump off your wagon like that.

So when you posted with three minutes to go and saw the wagons were consolidating you didn't feel it was important to make your vote known and try to prevent a tie? You could have prevented the tie if you voted?

[Hamilton Brian]

Interesting in a wonky way? Can you explain? To me it is suspicious that ghug is just absent from the list. If he had even put ghug in the town column I would be less suspicious than I am that he doesn't appear at all.

Sure. It was Fox's return to the lie detector/mechanics piece that I felt was wonky.

But you're right; the missing names are intriguing.

[Hamilton Brian]

So when you posted with three minutes to go and saw the wagons were consolidating you didn't feel it was important to make your vote known and try to prevent a tie? You could have prevented the tie if you voted?

Not sure; what did I say?