MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[BobMcBob]

Man went from

"Don't discuss games I wasn't in" to "I didn't know if I was allowed to claim roleblock anymore uwu ~~~"

Yeah lmao, both those quotes are kinda funny. On the other hand, he could be unsure if he's able to claim RB because of the witch role. But that would have to be via misinterpretation right? Because witch can't kill anyone or achieve their first wincon either. Maybe he thought it would be frowned upon to reveal he was a PR because mafia would target him or something? I really cannot fathom his thinking here. Why were you unsure if you should claim RB prado?

[TrPrado]

Man it sure is fun and quirky for literally everyone to take my quotes out of context!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TrPrado]

I have also consistently said I think the Bob slot has seemed scum to me. Even when it was Yoyo I said his deriding me for feeling the original statement was fine seemed like it was an unnatural progression from him also deriding me for not immediately catching on to the whole lie detector statement thing. I gave Bob time to catch up but then I looked at his N2 posts and realized there was like no content

Have you even played a game with me before? (Rhetorical question, I remember you in M50 at least) "No content" is apparently my default state, no matter how hard I try or think I'm managing to actually contribute. I've been a little slack this game but I'm really getting tired of people consistently scumreading me for it. If you have some other reason for saying I'm scum other than an apparently slightly awkward interaction with yoyo, I'd like to hear it.

The answer is probably no because I imagine you would know I care precisely zero for people making arguments about people's meta.

[TrPrado]

a) I have literally never been roleblocked before I am new to this
b) because of a I have paid like no attention to what people say about roleblock claims, I just know that in games I have been in people have asked about the merits of people claiming when they get roleblocked

[TrPrado]

Bob, you are personally part of why I scum read your slot. You keep trying to make it look like you are here, like you are present, like you have a lot to say when you don't. And Yoyo wasn't just an "awkward interaction" it was a whole LEAP in thought that is just not natural. He was very clearly just trying to make himself look useful and helpful and you are doing the same thing.

This is an "original thought" by the way, I have been the most consistent about this push from anyone in the town. But it's not THE original thought. I have had several of those if you read my posts. THE original thought I still am not saying because I am firm about this.

[BobMcBob]

Bob, you are personally part of why I scum read your slot. You keep trying to make it look like you are here, like you are present, like you have a lot to say when you don't. And Yoyo wasn't just an "awkward interaction" it was a whole LEAP in thought that is just not natural. He was very clearly just trying to make himself look useful and helpful and you are doing the same thing.

This is an "original thought" by the way, I have been the most consistent about this push from anyone in the town. But it's not THE original thought. I have had several of those if you read my posts. THE original thought I still am not saying because I am firm about this.

I mean yes it's largely my fault that I'm failing to contribute anything meaningful, but also I don't think it's exactly something to scum me over. Which is exactly what your main argument is. You have nothing else except for some yoyo thing I can't comprehend and can't comment on because I can't read his mind. I say things because if I don't I might as well not exist, and my posts feel empty because I... can't phrase them right? Can't keep up with the thread for most of the day? Struggle to come up with original opinions? End up spending half my time feeling like I need to defend myself because everybody's scumming me? Okay that one I can probably fix, but still, it's not as though I'm "not trying" or "pretending to be helpful". I am fully aware that would be a horrible strategy as scum, so whichever alignment I land I always try to contribute, but nobody ever thinks I do.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 4.1

BobMcBob (3) - damo666, TrPrado, Rdrivera2005
e.m.c^42 (2) - worcej, Hamilton Brian
rdrivera2005 (1) - Foxcastle
bo_sox48 (1) - bozotheclown
TrPrado (1) - Durga

6 players are yet to vote

BOBMcBOB is set to hang.

32 hours and 52 minutes remain in the day.

[BobMcBob]

So taking a look at rdr for a minute, this guy's done pretty much nothing townie all game. Me/yoyo has been one of his biggest scumreads all game. He was highly suspicious of vecna D2, he voted flash that day as well and only moved off when it was highly apparent Chaqa would be lynched and flash had already claimed (I mean yes this one can be put down to him leaving work to a large degree, but still, not friendly voting). He sparked last night's discussion around Seth calling thug matthew, which I just generally disliked. Other than that he's really had very little contribution to the game, his entire schtick is tunneling me. He called bo out for not doing the lie detwctor statement, which is really just bo being bo to me. He also called it "derailing the thread" which is fair but only because the thread was literally just railroading the claims at that point. He scumread thug as well but never did anything about it. Correction to earlier, the rest of his schtick has been scum reading Fox, which on the other hand I can get behind. But apart from those two scum reads he has contributed about as much to the game as me, which is saying something. Of course it's kinda hypocritical to scum the other for exactly what we ourselves are doing, but that's the way it is I guess. I also like how he calls himself obviously town when he's one of the least townie people in the game. I don't know what kind of boat he's living in. All in all, I guess I just feel like he's a low effort, low impact player who's done approximately nothing beneficial to town all game. And I don't think this particular case of coasting is town motivated.

[Durga]

I recommend this thing we have in English called paragraphs. It makes reading easier, Bob

[Durga]

What an interesting case on rdr... I was of the impression you didn't really know what was going on Bob, but that's quite the focus you have on everything rdr is doing. Can you make this kind of summary of actions for anyone else?

Also *I* brought up the Seth/Matthew thing. Not rdr. What is the problem with it?

[Hamilton Brian]

The back-and-forth between TrP and Bob is something to behold.

To be fair, TrP has voted for Yoyo/Bob every single day.

[Durga]

The back-and-forth between TrP and Bob is something to behold.

To be fair, TrP has voted for Yoyo/Bob every single day.

It is crazy to me that TrP doesn't seem like he's questioning his reads ever, but what do I know

[Hamilton Brian]

EMC is right about one thing; helluva lot easier to read latest to beginning. D1 is so fatiguing.

[Hamilton Brian]

Can anyone point me to a game I can read where someone claimed RB? I don't remember if it happened in the Matrix one or not.

[BobMcBob]

What an interesting case on rdr... I was of the impression you didn't really know what was going on Bob, but that's quite the focus you have on everything rdr is doing. Can you make this kind of summary of actions for anyone else?

Also *I* brought up the Seth/Matthew thing. Not rdr. What is the problem with it?

Your impression that I didn't know want was going on was probably because of exactly that. But hey I have a case now, do you want to accuse me of parroting or pretending to be helpful while not actually? I'm pleasantly surprised.

I was looking at his iso and saw him bring up the Matthew thing in such a way as I mistook it for the first instance of that happening, whoops. I just disliked that discussion because it accomplished so little around what I found to be a reasonably obvious joke that was being taken to mean far more than it actually did,

and then hugely overstayed its welcome. It wasn't inherently detrimental, I just feel it was a bit of a waste. It does at least give more evidence for why Seth is almost certainly town.

And I haven't ever heard of paragraphs, I'm still trying to figure out how that newfangled technology works.

[BobMcBob]

The back-and-forth between TrP and Bob is something to behold.

To be fair, TrP has voted for Yoyo/Bob every single day.

It is crazy to me that TrP doesn't seem like he's questioning his reads ever, but what do I know

Well I mean he's not the only tunneler this game, worcej and rdr are both tunneling too. Unless it's with majority of his reads, then it's really odd.

[BobMcBob]

And also yeah I'll try to bang up a similar summary on Fox in a bit, or maybe Prado.

[Durga]

What an interesting case on rdr... I was of the impression you didn't really know what was going on Bob, but that's quite the focus you have on everything rdr is doing. Can you make this kind of summary of actions for anyone else?

Also *I* brought up the Seth/Matthew thing. Not rdr. What is the problem with it?

Your impression that I didn't know want was going on was probably because of exactly that. But hey I have a case now, do you want to accuse me of parroting or pretending to be helpful while not actually? I'm pleasantly surprised.

I was looking at his iso and saw him bring up the Matthew thing in such a way as I mistook it for the first instance of that happening, whoops. I just disliked that discussion because it accomplished so little around what I found to be a reasonably obvious joke that was being taken to mean far more than it actually did,

and then hugely overstayed its welcome. It wasn't inherently detrimental, I just feel it was a bit of a waste. It does at least give more evidence for why Seth is almost certainly town.

And I haven't ever heard of paragraphs, I'm still trying to figure out how that newfangled technology works.

What is your issue with my push on TrPrado? Do you disagree that he is parroting?

I'm trying to learn more about your thoughts, and your immediate response is to be defensive over nothing I've said? Please calm down.

I also don't see how it was useless, sounds like you haven't actually read the thread but only everything rdr has posted, which doesn't exactly give you a good objective view of the game.

Can you address whether you can do this for anyone else? Technically the mafia team was two members left, not just rdr.

[Durga]

And also yeah I'll try to bang up a similar summary on Fox in a bit, or maybe Prado.

Why have you decided on fox/rdr? Do you think they are scum together?

[BobMcBob]

What an interesting case on rdr... I was of the impression you didn't really know what was going on Bob, but that's quite the focus you have on everything rdr is doing. Can you make this kind of summary of actions for anyone else?

Also *I* brought up the Seth/Matthew thing. Not rdr. What is the problem with it?

Your impression that I didn't know want was going on was probably because of exactly that. But hey I have a case now, do you want to accuse me of parroting or pretending to be helpful while not actually? I'm pleasantly surprised.

I was looking at his iso and saw him bring up the Matthew thing in such a way as I mistook it for the first instance of that happening, whoops. I just disliked that discussion because it accomplished so little around what I found to be a reasonably obvious joke that was being taken to mean far more than it actually did,

and then hugely overstayed its welcome. It wasn't inherently detrimental, I just feel it was a bit of a waste. It does at least give more evidence for why Seth is almost certainly town.

And I haven't ever heard of paragraphs, I'm still trying to figure out how that newfangled technology works.

What is your issue with my push on TrPrado? Do you disagree that he is parroting?

I'm trying to learn more about your thoughts, and your immediate response is to be defensive over nothing I've said? Please calm down.

I also don't see how it was useless, sounds like you haven't actually read the thread but only everything rdr has posted, which doesn't exactly give you a good objective view of the game.

Can you address whether you can do this for anyone else? Technically the mafia team was two members left, not just rdr.

No I'm completely fine with the push on Prado. I think it is a very good slot to push right now.

Also I read the thread, I was simply saying I found the discussion around Seth ghug and Matthew pretty pointless. Perhaps it wasn't, but I didn't see any real benefits to it.

Like I said I intend to start going over either tr or fox soon, before I go to sleep. I haven't looked through fox closely yet but there were certainly a lot of interactions between him and rdr, so I'll see whether I think they're SvS or Sv3P or SvT or if I feel unable to draw a conclusion.