MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Foxcastle]

In one sentence, it's a lack of conviction.

Other than me, I've seen nothing that makes me think you're actually hunting and analyzing. You ask a lot of questions and engage in dialogue in ways that do not stick your neck out and make it look like your doing something.

Re-reading you at a high level, you've moved your vote several times and have been 'okay' with the flip - TrPrado, Flash - or didn't have a case and thus that was the case - Rdr specifically.

You've put a lot of effort into my case, but put minimum effort into others. Your main point on going for flash (RIP) and rdr is because they appeared to be coasting. Your first post of the game was to shade Prado and you've brought him up a couple of times, but always seem to keep coming back to me when it comes time for conviction. If you were tunneling, I would expect you to be posting like bozo is - constantly countering what I am actually saying and trying to cement your case, but again you are not.

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).

One thing that does make me think you're scum is how you're latching on to me and Durga. In previous games where you've been up for the kill, you weren't so tunnely and actually tried to help town win. Here, not so much.

[Foxcastle]

In one sentence, it's a lack of conviction.

Other than me, I've seen nothing that makes me think you're actually hunting and analyzing. You ask a lot of questions and engage in dialogue in ways that do not stick your neck out and make it look like your doing something.

Re-reading you at a high level, you've moved your vote several times and have been 'okay' with the flip - TrPrado, Flash - or didn't have a case and thus that was the case - Rdr specifically.

You've put a lot of effort into my case, but put minimum effort into others. Your main point on going for flash (RIP) and rdr is because they appeared to be coasting. Your first post of the game was to shade Prado and you've brought him up a couple of times, but always seem to keep coming back to me when it comes time for conviction. If you were tunneling, I would expect you to be posting like bozo is - constantly countering what I am actually saying and trying to cement your case, but again you are not.

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).

Fine: go reread the first half of M1010 and tell me what you find. I'm trying to point out that this "Foxcastle cares when he's town" is not true.

I wonder, was there something happening late in M1010 that would have caused me to be more passionate and work a little harder? Hm... Hm... what could it be? Oh, right, you were trying to get me mis-killed.

[bozotheclown]

Vecna was the only early Chaqa voter D2 that I thought could have been bussing, so I still believe summit, Durga, TrPrado, and emc are non-mafia based on D2.

I am concerned with Hamilton's voting pattern of never ending on a wagon, but I think it is unlikely Hamilton was Chaqa's teammate based on the Hamilton town slip post by Chaqa and Chaqa's vote for Hamilton at EOD.

Bob is hard to read since he is not able to be online at EOD and has also ended off the wagons. However, I don't think Yoyoyozo was mafia because I doubt he would argue in support of the hypo claims as mafia just to pocket me considering the hypo claims idea was not getting a lot of support.

worcej's claim that he thought the vote was tied 5-5 when he self voted is believable, especially with the last 2 Bob votes not counted by the bot, and if that is true I can see him self voting there as town but not as mafia or 3P. However, I can't be sure he did not know the vote was really 8-2.

I think D3 EOD reinforces Durga, summit, and emc as non-mafia.

I do not think seth would make that joke about ghug's mafia name if they were partners.

That leaves bo_sox, Foxcastle, rdrivera, and worcej as the players I think have the best chance of being mafia. I have been generally town reading Foxcastle and rdrivera, but they are good at blending in as mafia. I can't ever seem to find a reason to town read bo_sox this game.

Right now my guess would be bo_sox and Foxcastle for the remaining mafia. I do not have a good guess for the 3P.

##VOTE bo_sox

[rdrivera2005]

##VOTE RDRIVERA

Why are you shouting?

I really want to vote you, but I don't know if we tunneling each other is the best way to go. It feels like one of the games I have with Xorxes and it usually ends with me being myslynched.

I will ##vote Bob until he present a case on me (or on you) as I told.

What makes you think it's shouting?

All caps. It was a joke. Nevermind.

[BobMcBob]

Okay, so Vecna died. I have to say, I'm not completely surprised, he was the most likely candidate along with Durga. To answer his question last night, he was never really a scumread of mine, more a scumlean. He got himself out of that camp before too long of course due to his leading role in the Chaqa wagon, among other things.

[bozotheclown]

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).

Fine: go reread the first half of M1010 and tell me what you find. I'm trying to point out that this "Foxcastle cares when he's town" is not true.

I wonder, was there something happening late in M1010 that would have caused me to be more passionate and work a little harder? Hm... Hm... what could it be? Oh, right, you were trying to get me mis-killed.

I am sure there have been a number of games where you put in a lot of effort as town. M54 comes to mind, in that game you put in so much effort on your case against Balki that I was sure you were town just for that reason, and you even had me believing you were right about Balki.

[Durga]

Starting a 10th wagon

##vote HamB

You know what, I think I will ##vote hamilton

He's been somewhat less aggresive than I recall his town game being, let's see if prodding will do anything.

This is the most suspicious post all game.

Is it possible that Chaqa bussed EMC? Probably not, right?

I am not changing my vote, I'm confident flash is scum, but I'm not opposed to HB today and flash later on.

What kind of garbage cover-your-ass hedging is this, ScumBo?

This felt really forced on Chaqa's end imo, thinking non-mafia Bo here but not sure.

What kind of garbage cover-your-ass hedging is this, ScumBo?

Do you want to read my last few posts where I come to that conclusion or just quote things out of context and act like you're smart?

Like I catch the guy in a lie, and then he just says "I'm not going to answer you" and leaves, and what do you expect, me to think that's super townie? He's fucking scum, I'm sticking with him. But I also scumread HB and have made that much clear.

Do you usually feel the need to explain yourself to Chaqa so much?

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i feel this because damo yelling fuck you or whatever to me was like oh maybe he's town

Apparently the best way to get me to town read you is to yell profanity at me........

Hamilton not knowing Yoyo was replaced seems like a town slip to me, though.

##Vote EMC

This is not how townslips work

First to call out the statement that led to Chaqa's demise - but no Chaqa vote to follow it up.

A lot more consolidation, actually. ##VOTE FLASH

Fox questions why vecna/summit/me voted for Chaqa, and then does this

##VOTE CHAQA I am fine with this

4th vote on Chaqa

Why Chaqa?

He had a blank slate with sarah's slot and really hasn't done much of anything. I know he doesn't have time but why just bash on emc when emc has brought something to the table?

It seemed like you were more strongly scumreading worcej and Yoyo/Bob, and now this is your vote with 20 minutes to go?

Strong defense of Chaqa here, Foxy

It seemed like you were more strongly scumreading worcej and Yoyo/Bob, and now this is your vote with 20 minutes to go?

I can vote for worcej. I thought his start of day was good but he just dropped off again. Dude's got a young child though... If people want to consolidate on worcej I'll join.

I'd go worcej over flash and Chaqa at this point.

You would, wouldn't you ghuggles. I should have re-read d2 before the last EoD.

His iso is okay. I like the way he went in for a scumread that didn't agree with other people and tried to produce a case.

I'd be scumming him on a short post welcoming a sub into the game.

But at the time it did agree with other people. He posted that before people started town reading me. That wagon disappearing is super suspicious to me.

I don't remember you being scum read.. definitely posts like "looks bad" but those are different.

This exchange is interesting too. a) seth doesn't like people moving to Chaqa wagon (fine, it was sudden, i maybe get it) b) I like how summit points out that seth felt he was being scum read at some point

Okay, things got pushed back by an hour, so I'm back until EoD.

Someone explain why they're voting for me?

And it's odd the worcej wagon evaporated in like one page, isn't it?

Scum team focus on worcej for miskill, maybe?

I am starting to have a headache. Chaqa is a complete coin flip. HB doesn't seems like a scum going to be killed. And Yoyo/Bob isn't happening.

I will ##vote Flash

He was lazy on calling Yoyo wagon scummy and then backtracking and on pointing Chaqa as Yoyo sub. Both things doesn't match to me.

Rdr later says it isn't a complete coin flip and that Chaqa's post was scummy but he doesn't vote Chaqa. Sigh.

Why'd people sour on HB? What's the argument for Chaqa?

The way he's pushing people is giving me a strong vibe that's he's just making things up and/or going for low hanging fruit like "emc NEVER votes this early in the day!!"

You look so good Tr. And yet I find you so sus for some reason.

to be cont'd

[worcej]

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).

One thing that does make me think you're scum is how you're latching on to me and Durga. In previous games where you've been up for the kill, you weren't so tunnely and actually tried to help town win. Here, not so much.

I mean, do you want me to continue repeating the same damn thing over and over again? Does that work to convince you in any way to vote for Durga?

And who said I am latching onto you? I still believe you're scum but am engaging with you as you asked questions of me.

[Durga]

I don't think anyone really said anything about Chaqa until I mentioned him, was there a case built? I wasn't aware anyone else had strong thoughts on him.

I really really really do not like this post from EMC.

We have enough time, ##vote Chaqa

At least flash is being honest about self-saving lol

I think emc really turns the tides with this vote here.

Hm, this is conflicting, would like to stay on my HB vote but the Chaqa wagon also looks tempting, and they're all close.

EMC, you of all people should know my excuses and complicated life are quite real

I hate both counterwagons. I feel flash is his normal town self and HB had what I think is a townslip, but it could be a lazyscum slip I guess...

Hey emc, why would chaqa say that you would know this? Also, who do you scum read now and why

##VOTE Chaqa

I am OK with any of the three.

I like this - votes after this one don't matter bc flash claimed

I wish I didn't have to write this...but it looks like it is unavoidable. Hopefully there are the right people around to make a difference.

My role name is John Lowes. You can get off my wagon now.

Did you even fucking look at the fucking vote count? You're down three votes.

Town reaction, I think

[TrPrado]

Wait so nobody has claimed roleblock between D2 through now, has nobody been roleblocked yet or do we think scum are killing their RB targets or are people against that now?

[TrPrado]

Against claiming it, I mean

[Durga]

Wait so nobody has claimed roleblock between D2 through now, has nobody been roleblocked yet or do we think scum are killing their RB targets or are people against that now?

Honestly tell me why you've taken my posts multiple times and just reworded them?

And what was your big original thought you were working on?

[TrPrado]

Wait so nobody has claimed roleblock between D2 through now, has nobody been roleblocked yet or do we think scum are killing their RB targets or are people against that now?

Honestly tell me why you've taken my posts multiple times and just reworded them?

And what was your big original thought you were working on?

I disagree with that assessment, and the other thing I apologize for being vague on but I am waiting to see how a certain player plays the day and I do not want them reading it before then. It's something I think is certainly fine to take its time being posted.

[Durga]

Vecna was the only early Chaqa voter D2 that I thought could have been bussing, so I still believe summit, Durga, TrPrado, and emc are non-mafia based on D2.

I am concerned with Hamilton's voting pattern of never ending on a wagon, but I think it is unlikely Hamilton was Chaqa's teammate based on the Hamilton town slip post by Chaqa and Chaqa's vote for Hamilton at EOD.

Bob is hard to read since he is not able to be online at EOD and has also ended off the wagons. However, I don't think Yoyoyozo was mafia because I doubt he would argue in support of the hypo claims as mafia just to pocket me considering the hypo claims idea was not getting a lot of support.

worcej's claim that he thought the vote was tied 5-5 when he self voted is believable, especially with the last 2 Bob votes not counted by the bot, and if that is true I can see him self voting there as town but not as mafia or 3P. However, I can't be sure he did not know the vote was really 8-2.

I think D3 EOD reinforces Durga, summit, and emc as non-mafia.

I do not think seth would make that joke about ghug's mafia name if they were partners.

That leaves bo_sox, Foxcastle, rdrivera, and worcej as the players I think have the best chance of being mafia. I have been generally town reading Foxcastle and rdrivera, but they are good at blending in as mafia. I can't ever seem to find a reason to town read bo_sox this game.

Right now my guess would be bo_sox and Foxcastle for the remaining mafia. I do not have a good guess for the 3P.

##VOTE bo_sox

This is a great post by bozo and more or less aligns with my thoughts. Although I don't think we should rule out a potential for emc or trprado to not having bussed chaqa. Emc bussing Chaqa last minute makes no real sense to me because emc has a reputation to lurk anyway so he could have just not voted and ghosted EoD. So I'm leaning town here.

I feel like tr could easily have bussed though. His vote was v important but he also didn't push chaqa like, at all. Which is fine, but who goes to do dishes while EoD is happening? He couldn't wait like a few extra minutes?

That is a lot of changes while I went to empty the dishwasher

And why did he feel the need to tell us he was emptying the dishwasher. And it sounds like he was SHOCKED that chaqa ended up getting lynched. I don't like it.

[TrPrado]

The flash reveal and the fact Chaqa got a whole 11 votes were shocking, people voting Chaqa in general was not shocking

[Durga]

Wait so nobody has claimed roleblock between D2 through now, has nobody been roleblocked yet or do we think scum are killing their RB targets or are people against that now?

Honestly tell me why you've taken my posts multiple times and just reworded them?

And what was your big original thought you were working on?

I disagree with that assessment, and the other thing I apologize for being vague on but I am waiting to see how a certain player plays the day and I do not want them reading it before then. It's something I think is certainly fine to take its time being posted.

you literally have done that multiple times so what do you disagree on?

also, it makes absolutely no sense that you're waiting for whatever player to do something before doing whatever you're gonna do unless you're PR but if you were that would just be dumb to even say anything at all. so it sounds like an excuse for doing nothing and continuing to do nothing

##vote trprado

[TrPrado]

Can you answer my question from earlier on the page?

[Durga]

Can you answer my question from earlier on the page?

I literally asked the same question when day started, why would i answer the question I asked myself - and what do you mean betweed d2 and now? Did someone claim d1?

[TrPrado]

Oh you were curious too? I was afraid people didn't like it for some reason

I was RB'd last night

[TrPrado]

Can you answer my question from earlier on the page?

I literally asked the same question when day started, why would i answer the question I asked myself - and what do you mean betweed d2 and now? Did someone claim d1?

I said between D2 and now specifically because no one can claim it D1