MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

Where's mine?

[damo666]

##vote BobMcBob

[Foxcastle]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

I assume Rdrivera is doing it because he's scum and thinks he can get an easy mis-kill.

[Foxcastle]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

My TL;DR is he tunnels when he is town. I have not felt like Fox is tunneling anyone this game and when people have applied pressure, such as myself when he pushed me early, he backed off.

This is after you accused me of tunneling on you!

[Foxcastle]

You really shouldn't need to scumread someone based on their meta alone at this point.

I don’t.

Fox not pushing and treading water as I clogged the thread is a good example of scummy behavior. He normally pushes hard as town.

So your reaction to Bo's assertion that you shouldn't scumread me on meta is... to revert to a scumread based on meta??

[Foxcastle]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

It's nothing inherently scummy, I just don't find anything towny on him. Most other players have posts that I agree because I think or react the same way and I don't get this from Fox.

Which is an echo of the read I pushed on you. So, no points are awarded.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE RDRIVERA

[bo_sox48]

Because your questions were dumb bo. You even asked him why he left HB's wagon to help get scum PR lynched as if it was shady that he would do that. I feel like you're not asking questions in order to figure out his alignment, you're asking them in an attempt to look engaged and useful. The case feels less about emc and more about you just finding every post he made to make some kind of comment on it, whether it's meaningful or not.

I don't mind the pressure on emc, but there needs to be more on you as well.

You clearly made the assumption that I scumread him based on that post. There is a reason I never said that. I don’t, and his EOD2 in particularlooks quite good to me, *especially* his move to Chaqa that tied the votes, but I do want to get into his head so I can solidify my assumptions and make sure that him being in the right place on D2 in particular was good town play, not good scum play. His answers and our subsequent conversation that we will have based on his answers will guide me there. You’re welcome to listen in.

If your plan for succeeding at these games is scumhunting through your own presumably town eyes, you’re going to have a hard time differentiating between good town play and good scum play because they should be very similar. You can’t just get a good, full read on someone based on an analysis of their actions. You need conversation. In reality, damn near every one of these questions I ask/analyses I do/reads I pursue is designed to get into that person’s head so that I can walk through their decisionmaking process in their shoes. I don’t want to go through their decisionmaking process through my own lens; that’s useless and gets you in a tunnel.

[summit_fever]

Oh ALSO, someone pressure summit for always being at the right place at the right time and being so keen to do visually useful things like updated colourized vote counts minutes after the flip but also not really standing out too much. Thanks

Do you think ghug was bussing or trying to miskill prado? And I like the colourised vote counts. Without xorxes they don't seem to get done as often.

[worcej]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

My TL;DR is he tunnels when he is town. I have not felt like Fox is tunneling anyone this game and when people have applied pressure, such as myself when he pushed me early, he backed off.

This is after you accused me of tunneling on you!

Because I went ahead and did some research because I remembered this after I accused you. Turns out you do tunnel as town pretty regularly.

[worcej]

Because your questions were dumb bo. You even asked him why he left HB's wagon to help get scum PR lynched as if it was shady that he would do that. I feel like you're not asking questions in order to figure out his alignment, you're asking them in an attempt to look engaged and useful. The case feels less about emc and more about you just finding every post he made to make some kind of comment on it, whether it's meaningful or not.

I don't mind the pressure on emc, but there needs to be more on you as well.

You clearly made the assumption that I scumread him based on that post. There is a reason I never said that. I don’t, and his EOD2 in particularlooks quite good to me, *especially* his move to Chaqa that tied the votes, but I do want to get into his head so I can solidify my assumptions and make sure that him being in the right place on D2 in particular was good town play, not good scum play. His answers and our subsequent conversation that we will have based on his answers will guide me there. You’re welcome to listen in.

If your plan for succeeding at these games is scumhunting through your own presumably town eyes, you’re going to have a hard time differentiating between good town play and good scum play because they should be very similar. You can’t just get a good, full read on someone based on an analysis of their actions. You need conversation. In reality, damn near every one of these questions I ask/analyses I do/reads I pursue is designed to get into that person’s head so that I can walk through their decisionmaking process in their shoes. I don’t want to go through their decisionmaking process through my own lens; that’s useless and gets you in a tunnel.

Humor me, in your own words, what is my decision making process?

[Foxcastle]

My TL;DR is he tunnels when he is town. I have not felt like Fox is tunneling anyone this game and when people have applied pressure, such as myself when he pushed me early, he backed off.

This is after you accused me of tunneling on you!

Because I went ahead and did some research because I remembered this after I accused you. Turns out you do tunnel as town pretty regularly.

So basically, you're saying that you've found past games to justify whichever read you want. That's super helpful, isn't it.

Can you, without reference to my meta or my behavior in any other game, point to things that I've done in this game that you think are scum motivated?

[rdrivera2005]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

I assume Rdrivera is doing it because he's scum and thinks he can get an easy mis-kill.

How on Earth you are an easy mis-kill? Half the game solidly town reading for reasons I can't understand.

[bo_sox48]

Because your questions were dumb bo. You even asked him why he left HB's wagon to help get scum PR lynched as if it was shady that he would do that. I feel like you're not asking questions in order to figure out his alignment, you're asking them in an attempt to look engaged and useful. The case feels less about emc and more about you just finding every post he made to make some kind of comment on it, whether it's meaningful or not.

I don't mind the pressure on emc, but there needs to be more on you as well.

You clearly made the assumption that I scumread him based on that post. There is a reason I never said that. I don’t, and his EOD2 in particularlooks quite good to me, *especially* his move to Chaqa that tied the votes, but I do want to get into his head so I can solidify my assumptions and make sure that him being in the right place on D2 in particular was good town play, not good scum play. His answers and our subsequent conversation that we will have based on his answers will guide me there. You’re welcome to listen in.

If your plan for succeeding at these games is scumhunting through your own presumably town eyes, you’re going to have a hard time differentiating between good town play and good scum play because they should be very similar. You can’t just get a good, full read on someone based on an analysis of their actions. You need conversation. In reality, damn near every one of these questions I ask/analyses I do/reads I pursue is designed to get into that person’s head so that I can walk through their decisionmaking process in their shoes. I don’t want to go through their decisionmaking process through my own lens; that’s useless and gets you in a tunnel.

Humor me, in your own words, what is my decision making process?

In my own words? Is there something I can copy and paste? I’m on my phone and am not looking forward to writing you an essay just to humor you, so your personal psychoanalysis is going to have to wait.

[worcej]

This is after you accused me of tunneling on you!

Because I went ahead and did some research because I remembered this after I accused you. Turns out you do tunnel as town pretty regularly.

So basically, you're saying that you've found past games to justify whichever read you want. That's super helpful, isn't it.

Can you, without reference to my meta or my behavior in any other game, point to things that I've done in this game that you think are scum motivated?

In one sentence, it's a lack of conviction.

Other than me, I've seen nothing that makes me think you're actually hunting and analyzing. You ask a lot of questions and engage in dialogue in ways that do not stick your neck out and make it look like your doing something.

Re-reading you at a high level, you've moved your vote several times and have been 'okay' with the flip - TrPrado, Flash - or didn't have a case and thus that was the case - Rdr specifically.

You've put a lot of effort into my case, but put minimum effort into others. Your main point on going for flash (RIP) and rdr is because they appeared to be coasting. Your first post of the game was to shade Prado and you've brought him up a couple of times, but always seem to keep coming back to me when it comes time for conviction. If you were tunneling, I would expect you to be posting like bozo is - constantly countering what I am actually saying and trying to cement your case, but again you are not.

[worcej]

You clearly made the assumption that I scumread him based on that post. There is a reason I never said that. I don’t, and his EOD2 in particularlooks quite good to me, *especially* his move to Chaqa that tied the votes, but I do want to get into his head so I can solidify my assumptions and make sure that him being in the right place on D2 in particular was good town play, not good scum play. His answers and our subsequent conversation that we will have based on his answers will guide me there. You’re welcome to listen in.

If your plan for succeeding at these games is scumhunting through your own presumably town eyes, you’re going to have a hard time differentiating between good town play and good scum play because they should be very similar. You can’t just get a good, full read on someone based on an analysis of their actions. You need conversation. In reality, damn near every one of these questions I ask/analyses I do/reads I pursue is designed to get into that person’s head so that I can walk through their decisionmaking process in their shoes. I don’t want to go through their decisionmaking process through my own lens; that’s useless and gets you in a tunnel.

Humor me, in your own words, what is my decision making process?

In my own words? Is there something I can copy and paste? I’m on my phone and am not looking forward to writing you an essay just to humor you, so your personal psychoanalysis is going to have to wait.

You're no fun.

I put all that effort in replying to you when you walled me and I don't get to know what you think my thought process is...

[Foxcastle]

Because I went ahead and did some research because I remembered this after I accused you. Turns out you do tunnel as town pretty regularly.

So basically, you're saying that you've found past games to justify whichever read you want. That's super helpful, isn't it.

Can you, without reference to my meta or my behavior in any other game, point to things that I've done in this game that you think are scum motivated?

In one sentence, it's a lack of conviction.

Other than me, I've seen nothing that makes me think you're actually hunting and analyzing. You ask a lot of questions and engage in dialogue in ways that do not stick your neck out and make it look like your doing something.

Re-reading you at a high level, you've moved your vote several times and have been 'okay' with the flip - TrPrado, Flash - or didn't have a case and thus that was the case - Rdr specifically.

You've put a lot of effort into my case, but put minimum effort into others. Your main point on going for flash (RIP) and rdr is because they appeared to be coasting. Your first post of the game was to shade Prado and you've brought him up a couple of times, but always seem to keep coming back to me when it comes time for conviction. If you were tunneling, I would expect you to be posting like bozo is - constantly countering what I am actually saying and trying to cement your case, but again you are not.

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

[rdrivera2005]

##VOTE RDRIVERA

Why are you shouting?

I really want to vote you, but I don't know if we tunneling each other is the best way to go. It feels like one of the games I have with Xorxes and it usually ends with me being myslynched.

I will ##vote Bob until he present a case on me (or on you) as I told.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE RDRIVERA

Why are you shouting?

I really want to vote you, but I don't know if we tunneling each other is the best way to go. It feels like one of the games I have with Xorxes and it usually ends with me being myslynched.

I will ##vote Bob until he present a case on me (or on you) as I told.

What makes you think it's shouting?

[worcej]

So basically, you're saying that you've found past games to justify whichever read you want. That's super helpful, isn't it.

Can you, without reference to my meta or my behavior in any other game, point to things that I've done in this game that you think are scum motivated?

In one sentence, it's a lack of conviction.

Other than me, I've seen nothing that makes me think you're actually hunting and analyzing. You ask a lot of questions and engage in dialogue in ways that do not stick your neck out and make it look like your doing something.

Re-reading you at a high level, you've moved your vote several times and have been 'okay' with the flip - TrPrado, Flash - or didn't have a case and thus that was the case - Rdr specifically.

You've put a lot of effort into my case, but put minimum effort into others. Your main point on going for flash (RIP) and rdr is because they appeared to be coasting. Your first post of the game was to shade Prado and you've brought him up a couple of times, but always seem to keep coming back to me when it comes time for conviction. If you were tunneling, I would expect you to be posting like bozo is - constantly countering what I am actually saying and trying to cement your case, but again you are not.

Go read M1010 and see what you find.

So are you trying to say that experience scarred you from overly trying now?

I recall enjoying you squirm as you passionately tried. Not to toot my own horn, but I think keeping xorxes and bozo in the game for as long as damo and I did was the best play we made because they didn't believe each other and couldn't take a step back in time (bozo figured it out right before he died).