MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[bo_sox48]

Rereading BobMcBob. EODs are a little light, so this is just a generic reread:

Okay so I just read Yoyo's posts from day 1, and there's really nothing in there that jumped out at me, except the fact that I haven't read the setup yet...

What did you expect to see when you read Yoyo’s posts from day 1? Why would anything have “jumped out” at you? You presumably knew your role, and thus his as well.

Okay so the Bunny wagon was kinda awful I have to say, as far as I can tell he was l——— for having a "bad start", going to bed, and then coming back and reacting badly? I mean his start was actually fine IMO, at least his actions. Not a huge fan of the pedantics but it's way too small for it to be worth voting over, especially given he was going to sleep. That's a perfectly acceptable excuse for absence. (Speaking of which, it's 12am here so I'll probably only be around for another couple of hours before I go to sleep and wait to get drawn and quartered). Is there anything I missed in my somewhat brief analysis of the bunny votes?

I love the start to this post. It’s a great jumping off point. I’m enamored with it like a mediocre college professor drools over a thesis statement. The rest of this post, though… what is it? It seemed like you were about to make a point and prove it, but then you just didn’t.

Oh yay, I get a bit of slack. I can't help but feel that I'm still going to get rabbitholed for the same reasons as last time I subbed, but hey, day 1 is out of my control. I chose to sub into this after all. I think I missed what other people are seeing about scummy interactions, could somebody please explain? Like sure he used the word lol too much but I can't find much scum indicative in that. I agree his absence after saying he'd do something is odd, but I can't see a game-related reason he'd leave like that. He wasn't exactly being run up a wall or anything.

Like before, you ought to know your own role, and thus your predecessor’s role. I don’t understand the uncertainty about Yoyo.

EoD was really darn empty. I'm surprised. Was it because everybody thought it was an hour later? Regardless, I'm still struggling to work out who to vote for. Out of the closest wagons to me, I think there's a better case for flash than Tr, flash has been pretty absent and vague. (I mean yes you could argue I'm the same, but I just subbed off the back of someone who'd been missing for liket hree days, and I haven't had much time to read. I'll be back with a good bit more tomorrow if I'm still alive, promise). I'm not a huuuge fan of the flash wagon but I don't have anyone better to vote for and a decent chance of hitting scum or at worst a lurker is better than guaranteed town as far as I'm concerned. ##vote flash

Who is guaranteed town?

Well that was a great turnout! Even when I went to bed I was feeling hopeful, and I was right! And chaqa... was chaqa. That's a very Chaqa thing to do. I'm a little annoyed that flash was outed, as we all are, but I can see where he's coming from, he was in a tough position at the end there and wanted to ensure his safety. And I have no clue why the heck yoyo came back, as is the case for the GMs apparently. I am the officially sanctioned player though, so ignore him and devote all your attention to me. When I'm active that is, I'll be out for a large chunk of the day and don't really be active again until about the same time I subbed yesterday.

What did Yoyo do by errantly coming back with an innocent, unincriminating post that prompts you to plead for us to ignore him?

Reads part 1! (Please note due to time constraints that I have not read most of these people in-depth. More reads will be delivered later)
Flash - you'll never believe it, but I'm really liking the way flash looks at the moment. Yeah good on me for that read, he's town, he's probably gonna die, nuff said.
Emc - also unsurprisingly looks pretty good. I mean sure he lurked a bit but also he seemed fairly genuine and I was getting solid vibes, although nothing stood out. Also got pushed real hard by chaqa which looks pretty good I think.
Rdrivera - I mean, rdr is a player who exists. Really not feeling much either way here, at least not from my somewhat shallow reading.
Seth - um, holy heck is this guy seriously new? He's already better than me. As far as I could see he was doing some really good analysis and stuff, looks like a super good guy to have around. I didn't think he felt scared or forced or anything either so I'm really digging this guy. Welcome aboard Seth!
Worcej - man I love sassy worcej. His whole day two thing is exactly what I expect and like to see from him. I'm not sure I've ever played with scum worcej (and if I have I can't recall off the top of my head) but this is behaviour I associate with town worcej, so he's good with me. Also it's just hilarious to watch.

When is reads part 2 coming? Perhaps you could give some reads on people you actually have a worthwhile thing to say about.

My problem is that if I do go back and read, you won't see head or tail of me for ages. Even if I go back and just read N2 you'll see me next in about 12 hours' time. I'm keeping up now because progress is slow but reading 20 pages worth of stuff will keep me absent for quite some time, and I won't have the possibility to bring anything along. So I guess that's what I'll go do now. See you in like 12 hours or something with no opinions.

Okay, so after a bit more doing life, I'm back to reading. I'm not a super fast reader and still have 10 pages to go or something, so I'll be a while. If you for some reason have questions or accusations or whatever I'll answer when I'm caught up on N2. Nothing else, just N2.

Is it an odd coincidence that these two posts are actually 12 hours apart? Did you set a stopwatch?

You think I have that much time? I've read the start of where I left off, and the end to see what happened there, but the middle chunk is still missing. VCA will be interesting and provide a lot of information when combined with the Chaqa VCA. I don't have access to the bot right now but I'll get onto it later and see if I can provide a passable analysis.

Assuming VCA = vote count analysis? I’m looking forward to this, please provide us with your analysis.

I think the remaining scum, including 3P, has to lie within Fox, rdr, summit, and maybe prado, bozo or worcej (the latter 3 being less likely of course). Everyone else is well and in my towncore.

Is this based on analysis or just something you came up with?

[damo666]

I don't know why bo thinks he is any more likely a NK than Durga Vecna Bozo or fox tbh.

Ego?

I expect so.

[Durga]

Bo's post on emc was not my fav.

[bo_sox48]

They rarely are. What don't you like about it?

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Dargorygel is unavailable and I'll be processing EoN on my own by phone. I'll close the thread at the correct time but give me a few extra minutes for processing.

[summit_fever]

After re-reading ghug:

townreads: vecna/fox/damo/durga/bob/bozo/bo/summit
scumreads: bunny/prado/flash/brian/seth/worcej

ghug was willing to throw vecna,bo,yoyo and bozo into the scum camp later on.

Chaqa didn't get much attention except for ghug's comments on vig'ing him and killing chaqa should ghug be nightkilled.

Players that flew under the radar in terms of ghug's reads: HR and bismarck/emc. rdr mostly flew under the radar except for:

Man, Fox, why you just engaging him on that fluff post, instead of calling him out. Also your reasoning is way too fluffy, scum kill players with good reads all the time, because noone ever listens to the dead anyway and its a vote less heading your way.

Why do people townread Rdrivera again?

Because I am obviously town?

Scum wouldn't say this.

If EMC ever flips this post is one to look at:

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

This is not a family friendly post.


I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

Durga posted this thread earlier but the original post was cut off. Here it is.

If Seth is scum, this is the best noob performance since Rom Combadill.

I'm inclined to believe that ghug was putting up posts hoping to keep seth as a possible scumread as the game went on. seth looks town to me based on ghug's interactions. If ghug was trying to set up seth then ghug is likely being honest about emc/bis' alignment here.

Ghug's biggest push was Prado. I have no idea if it was a bus or a miskill that ghug was trying to push. I did notice Prado backed off me rather suddenly a few hours after ghug posted this:

##VOTE Prado

Literally all the guy does is twist facts to hammer on summit.

[worcej]

They rarely are. What don't you like about it?

FWIW, I liked it. They were good questions that need to be addressed.

[bo_sox48]

Do you scumread emc, worcej?

[rdrivera2005]

I don't think I will be the NK and no one listen dead townies, so I will not post a detailed readlist.

My top scumreads are still Bob and Fox. Nothing solid, as there isn't anything solid, but I can't see where they are coming from, which worries me more on Fox to be honest. But Bob is also a liability to have at game end and scum will never NK him. Worcej is also a liability, but I think he is town.

Bozo is a good guess for 3P. He is remembering the game where he was a traitor and played like a 3P. Prado also fits on this.

The others are on my townreads.

If Vecna and Durga don't attract a NK tonight or after Damo we should start to worry about them.

[Durga]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

[worcej]

Do you scumread emc, worcej?

I null him. I think he is being lazy, which is on point, but if he is scum being lazy and treading water is what he should be doing.

[worcej]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

My TL;DR is he tunnels when he is town. I have not felt like Fox is tunneling anyone this game and when people have applied pressure, such as myself when he pushed me early, he backed off.

[bo_sox48]

You really shouldn't need to scumread someone based on their meta alone at this point.

[worcej]

You really shouldn't need to scumread someone based on their meta alone at this point.

I don’t.

Fox not pushing and treading water as I clogged the thread is a good example of scummy behavior. He normally pushes hard as town.

[bozotheclown]

I do not know about worcej anymore. If worcej and Bob are both town, I think it is very likely Durga, summit, emc, and seth are all town just from D3 EOD.

[rdrivera2005]

Can someone tell me what exactly I'm missing about Fox that is apparently scummy. I feel like everyone is just stating he's scummy but no one is saying why.

It's nothing inherently scummy, I just don't find anything towny on him. Most other players have posts that I agree because I think or react the same way and I don't get this from Fox.

[Vecna]

if this is goodbye, dont fuck it up chaps

[Jamiet99uk]

NIGHT HAS ENDED - PLEASE HOLD

[Jamiet99uk]

The night passed somewhat more quietly that the one before, yet still all was not well in Brandeston. Farmer Jessop was the first to stumble upon the body as he came put to feed his pigs.

Vecna has died - he was Thomas Everard, the Vanilla Townsperson.

DAY HAS BEGUN - YOU MAY POST

[Durga]

How am I going to stay sane now

##vote rdr