MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[TrPrado]

[snip]

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I think Prado asked rdr this like 5 times, Prado you really care about this read from rdr eh?

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It seemed to come out of like nowhere. He didn't push ghug D1 or even mention him N1.

[Durga]

Rom Combadill?

It would be like FoxCastle scum tier

I was gonna say wjessop originally.

The common theme here is that they were all my teammates though, so Seth is probably town.

screams in paranoia

[Durga]

[snip]

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I think Prado asked rdr this like 5 times, Prado you really care about this read from rdr eh?

[snip]

It seemed to come out of like nowhere. He didn't push ghug D1 or even mention him N1.

I could be wrong but didn't he mention ghug being scummy d1?

[seth24c]

It would be like FoxCastle scum tier

I was gonna say wjessop originally.

The common theme here is that they were all my teammates though, so Seth is probably town.

screams in paranoia

See now this, I see how this looks weird at least.

[seth24c]

I was gonna say wjessop originally.

The common theme here is that they were all my teammates though, so Seth is probably town.

screams in paranoia

See now this, I see how this looks weird at least.

Not sure why ghug talked about me so much except maybe to just gloss over the fact that I found him suspicious.

[TrPrado]

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I think Prado asked rdr this like 5 times, Prado you really care about this read from rdr eh?

[snip]

It seemed to come out of like nowhere. He didn't push ghug D1 or even mention him N1.

I could be wrong but didn't he mention ghug being scummy d1?

On reread yeah but I would not call it a push.

[Durga]

screams in paranoia

See now this, I see how this looks weird at least.

Not sure why ghug talked about me so much except maybe to just gloss over the fact that I found him suspicious.

You're doing a good job of mitigating his damage. I am inclined to push rdr/bob tomorrow but I'm not done reading d2 yet.

[bozotheclown]

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The only way self-voting as scum there was worth it, was if the counterwagon was also scum and he purposefully hoped for a TIE.

When worcej voted for himself with less than one minute left, Bob was leading him in the official vote 8-2, so he could have felt safe from getting killed and the self vote was designed to look like town, as he has been town read for the vote. His explanation that he wanted to get killed instead of Bob is harder for me to believe considering the time and vote count. It was highly likely the kill was going to be worcej or Bob when they were tied at 5, that would have been the time for worcej to vote for himself if he was town motivated because he thought killing himslef was better for town than killing Bob.

[seth24c]

See now this, I see how this looks weird at least.

Not sure why ghug talked about me so much except maybe to just gloss over the fact that I found him suspicious.

You're doing a good job of mitigating his damage. I am inclined to push rdr/bob tomorrow but I'm not done reading d2 yet.

Thank you, I read rdr fast today and felt better about him but I probably need to do so again with a fresh mind.

[bozotheclown]

I agree with Vecna. Either worce is town, since he'd be literally playing against his wincon self voting at that point as 3P, and suiciding when he didn't need to as scum, or both worce and bob are scum, and worce was thinking that bob was less likely to get lynched in the future than he.

I don't think anyone aimed this for a tie, since I'm pretty sure the only reason people got it wrong trying to avoid the tie was because of the disparity between seeing my bob vote here but not seeing the number on the bot.

so, whether he likes it or not, he's probably town and not going to be a wagon going forth.

The scum motivation could be to make him look like he was willing to get killed over Bob without doing it. I was surprised to see damo and seth vote for worcej so quickly after worcej self voted, and my vote must have just beat the deadline. worcej could not have expected that many votes to change in the time he left.

[bozotheclown]

Here are some interesting exchanges from d2 while I'm reading.

I definitely agree that there were scum on the bunny wagon but I know it wasn’t me. I think we need to go back through and see who was pushing his wagon and also who was pushing against the bismarck wagon.

Pushing against the Bismarck wagon? Youre stating this as if that alignment is already confirmed.

Another potential slip of the tongue to remember in case that slot turns out to be scum.

Another one for the books

I love to hedge. Why pretend that everything is absolute when we dont have a fucking clue.

Careful, you'll set worcej on you!!!!! Oh wait no you won't because you're not me :p Instead he'll act all meek towards you, lucky you.

##VOTE Vecna

Vecna may have flipped HR to make himself look better.

Something about this comment feels off to me now that I'm re-reading it. Why specifically think Vecna would do that... I always feel strange when people comment on night kills like that.

Before forgetting during catchup, doc on Durga, desperado on seth I guess, for the rhymes heh.

Have you read the thread and do you understand the setup?

Bo, why did you say this to emc? What was wrong with his choices?

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I think Prado asked rdr this like 5 times, Prado you really care about this read from rdr eh?

Other observations:
1. Rdr is looking more scummy to me, he talks about Sarah a lot
2. Bozo would be one bold 3p for making everyone hypo-claim. Not impossible though
3. When I asked ghug for his scum reads he gave me: Brian, seth, flash, Prado, Bo ----- no way he only gave me all town, right? Out of all of them the Prado one seems like the best scum read, it's the only one with actual reasons - maybe he's bussing?:

"Prado seems to be approaching every post like he's trying to win arguments with uncompelling gotchas rather than showing any desire to actually figure things out, and those interactions have been limited to a few target." (Post 1005)

Whenever ghug talks about seth it feels awkward too but maybe I'm just focusing on that because of my current suspicion. It's actually interesting that ghug has commented on scum reading Seth multiple times but I do not see seth commenting back on it - despite the fact that Seth said he was sus of ghug/vecna at the beginning (and then only focused on vecna).
***Reading forward, seth eventually does make a post on ghug/vecna being scum (Post 1295) and continues to push ghug, and vote for him at one point. I don't think I can read much from it though, but even reading seth's posts again I still get the townie vibe I initially got.

It's too bad ghug doesn't really push anyone so it's hard to clear people based on his lazy ass interactions. He pushes Prado but it honestly doesn't seem like the worst case - he's pushing Prado lightly for legit reasons. I am town reading summit even harder because of what ghug says about summit though, especially that ridiculously long "sequence of events" post he made where summit's reply was just like "seems just like a fairly personal gut read"

I will keep reading, yawn, long posts

I said that because I was scum reading Vecna D1.

[worcej]

[snip...]

Careful, you'll set worcej on you!!!!! Oh wait no you won't because you're not me :p Instead he'll act all meek towards you, lucky you.

[snip...]

And you had the audacity to say I bully you?

Sorry I have have the inclination to think you're scum in a game of Mafia.

[worcej]

I agree with Vecna. Either worce is town, since he'd be literally playing against his wincon self voting at that point as 3P, and suiciding when he didn't need to as scum, or both worce and bob are scum, and worce was thinking that bob was less likely to get lynched in the future than he.

I don't think anyone aimed this for a tie, since I'm pretty sure the only reason people got it wrong trying to avoid the tie was because of the disparity between seeing my bob vote here but not seeing the number on the bot.

so, whether he likes it or not, he's probably town and not going to be a wagon going forth.

The scum motivation could be to make him look like he was willing to get killed over Bob without doing it. I was surprised to see damo and seth vote for worcej so quickly after worcej self voted, and my vote must have just beat the deadline. worcej could not have expected that many votes to change in the time he left.

If anyone is curious, this bozo post is part of why I wanted myself to flip.

There is nothing I can do to get him to stop tunneling me and we need his solving skills to look elsewhere.

[worcej]

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The only way self-voting as scum there was worth it, was if the counterwagon was also scum and he purposefully hoped for a TIE.

When worcej voted for himself with less than one minute left, Bob was leading him in the official vote 8-2, so he could have felt safe from getting killed and the self vote was designed to look like town, as he has been town read for the vote. His explanation that he wanted to get killed instead of Bob is harder for me to believe considering the time and vote count. It was highly likely the kill was going to be worcej or Bob when they were tied at 5, that would have been the time for worcej to vote for himself if he was town motivated because he thought killing himslef was better for town than killing Bob.

TBF, I saw the vote count as 5 bob and 5 me while on my cell phone and while in a meeting.

[worcej]

Continuing the last post:

So assuming I made a decision based off 8-2 for Bob requires you to think I was watching and am lying about being busy IRL, which like rdr, I have no reason to ever lie about.

End of phase is 2:00 PM for me, which is smack dab in the middle of my work day. Usually this bodes well for me since my job requires a lot of office work, but sometimes it's shit due to meetings (even in COVID wonderland)

[BobMcBob]

Um, so much discussion revolved around seth's Matthew joke and I hate it. I mean it's perhaps an end worth following up to put pressure on seth or something and I'll try to glean some more info from it later but I'm just gonna say seth remains high on my list of town players. And Durga I'm not posting much here because I don't have much I want to say and also due to the nature of school my reading is rather sporadic (which is also why it takes so long).

[bozotheclown]

Continuing the last post:

So assuming I made a decision based off 8-2 for Bob requires you to think I was watching and am lying about being busy IRL, which like rdr, I have no reason to ever lie about.

End of phase is 2:00 PM for me, which is smack dab in the middle of my work day. Usually this bodes well for me since my job requires a lot of office work, but sometimes it's shit due to meetings (even in COVID wonderland)

I do not remember you previously saying you were not able to watch D3 EOD closely because you were busy. There were a lot of vote changes in the last 2 minutes, so I think there were a lot of votes where no one was sure of the exact vote count, especially with the bot "Bob" issue. However, I think it would be a mistake to dismiss your vote as having no potential scum motivation.

[bozotheclown]

It looks like Durga, summit, emc, seth, and damo (who we know is town) were trying to prevent a tie between worcej and Bob. If exactly one of worcej and Bob is mafia, it is possible someone could be voting to save their teammate, but I would not expect the last mafia to take that risk considering the pressure worcej and Bob were already under, so I think all the late voting (with the possible exception of worcej) looks town motivated.

[Vecna]

I'm not expecting to survive the night, but if I do, it's an option.

the fuck?

[Vecna]

Jesus ffs as my efforts to overly reinforce damo dies tonight are flushed down the drain by bo

yikes