MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[worcej]

Prado, damo has NK immunity tonight

COULD YOU NOT.

[worcej]

Jesus ffs as my efforts to overly reinforce damo dies tonight are flushed down the drain by bo

[BobMcBob]

He's doing it AGAIN !!!!!! Agh we really should have just killed him off

Well if you'd prefer I can just return to chucking uninformed opinions around everywhere, but apparently people didn't like me doing that for some reason.

I want you to stop talking about reading and actually just do it.

I am doing it, I'm just occasionally checking in here. I've already done another few pages.

[seth24c]

Realizing how much more complicated this gets without the flip from today.

Heavy town reads are Damo (obvie), Durga, Bo_
Town leans: Vecna, Worcej, Bozo
Null: Bob, RDR, Summit, Foxcastle, EMC, TrP,
Scum leans:
Heavy scum read: Seth

I don't even want to hypothesize about 3P; it will infuriate me.

Down the rabbit hole on someone.

Tempted to go the worcej route of saying just kill me so misdirected town will stop wasting time on me. But I am going to try to stand up for myself once again. Hamilton, please entertain the thought that your first impression of me might have been wrong. Ever since my vote at the end of day one I know you have thought that I was scum and have tried to twist everything I say to fit that assumption. If you weren't so dogged about it I would think that you were mafia or third party but I now think you must be town because of it. It is misdirecting the conversation and allowing scum to either hide out of the spotlight or also push my wagon. Please consider for a moment whether I would have made the move day 1 as scum to switch wagons at the last moment to the same wagon as ghug to both lynch a townsperson. Knowing that would draw huge attention to myself. Why would I ever call ghug matthew if I was scum and knew that was his role?

Also for those who asked, the reason I quoted durga was because I was going to reply to her post and say yes we need to consolidate and then I realized I didn't have time to do that and also vote so I just voted in the reply. Sorry to town for doing that and misdirecting the conversation. I was just trying to avoid the tie and I saw the string of worcej voters and that the bot was 5-5 so I thought I was putting worcej ahead. Didn't know that worcej was still voting himself either.

[seth24c]

Realizing how much more complicated this gets without the flip from today.

Heavy town reads are Damo (obvie), Durga, Bo_
Town leans: Vecna, Worcej, Bozo
Null: Bob, RDR, Summit, Foxcastle, EMC, TrP,
Scum leans:
Heavy scum read: Seth

I don't even want to hypothesize about 3P; it will infuriate me.

Down the rabbit hole on someone.

Tempted to go the worcej route of saying just kill me so misdirected town will stop wasting time on me. But I am going to try to stand up for myself once again. Hamilton, please entertain the thought that your first impression of me might have been wrong. Ever since my vote at the end of day one I know you have thought that I was scum and have tried to twist everything I say to fit that assumption. If you weren't so dogged about it I would think that you were mafia or third party but I now think you must be town because of it. It is misdirecting the conversation and allowing scum to either hide out of the spotlight or also push my wagon. Please consider for a moment whether I would have made the move day 1 as scum to switch wagons at the last moment to the same wagon as ghug to both lynch a townsperson. Knowing that would draw huge attention to myself. Why would I ever call ghug matthew if I was scum and knew that was his role?

Also for those who asked, the reason I quoted durga was because I was going to reply to her post and say yes we need to consolidate and then I realized I didn't have time to do that and also vote so I just voted in the reply. Sorry to town for doing that and misdirecting the conversation. I was just trying to avoid the tie and I saw the string of worcej voters and that the bot was 5-5 so I thought I was putting worcej ahead. Didn't know that worcej was still voting himself either.

And before anyone jumps my case saying worcej literally voted for himself right before I voted I wasn't looking at the names I was just trying to do my best to keep a tie from happening.

[TrPrado]

Realizing how much more complicated this gets without the flip from today.

Heavy town reads are Damo (obvie), Durga, Bo_
Town leans: Vecna, Worcej, Bozo
Null: Bob, RDR, Summit, Foxcastle, EMC, TrP,
Scum leans:
Heavy scum read: Seth

I don't even want to hypothesize about 3P; it will infuriate me.

Down the rabbit hole on someone.

You see, bo, I'm fine with you listing several people as possible scum because you specifically did not do this.

[seth24c]

Realizing how much more complicated this gets without the flip from today.

Heavy town reads are Damo (obvie), Durga, Bo_
Town leans: Vecna, Worcej, Bozo
Null: Bob, RDR, Summit, Foxcastle, EMC, TrP,
Scum leans:
Heavy scum read: Seth

I don't even want to hypothesize about 3P; it will infuriate me.

Down the rabbit hole on someone.

Tempted to go the worcej route of saying just kill me so misdirected town will stop wasting time on me. But I am going to try to stand up for myself once again. Hamilton, please entertain the thought that your first impression of me might have been wrong. Ever since my vote at the end of day one I know you have thought that I was scum and have tried to twist everything I say to fit that assumption. If you weren't so dogged about it I would think that you were mafia or third party but I now think you must be town because of it. It is misdirecting the conversation and allowing scum to either hide out of the spotlight or also push my wagon. Please consider for a moment whether I would have made the move day 1 as scum to switch wagons at the last moment to the same wagon as ghug to both lynch a townsperson. Knowing that would draw huge attention to myself. Why would I ever call ghug matthew if I was scum and knew that was his role?

Also for those who asked, the reason I quoted durga was because I was going to reply to her post and say yes we need to consolidate and then I realized I didn't have time to do that and also vote so I just voted in the reply. Sorry to town for doing that and misdirecting the conversation. I was just trying to avoid the tie and I saw the string of worcej voters and that the bot was 5-5 so I thought I was putting worcej ahead. Didn't know that worcej was still voting himself either.

And before anyone jumps my case saying worcej literally voted for himself right before I voted I wasn't looking at the names I was just trying to do my best to keep a tie from happening.

Just to clarify again, I'm saying that I wasn't looking at the names of who was voting, I was just looking at who was getting voted for and trying to figure out from that who was ahead. Obviously I suck at the end of the day, sorry.

[TrPrado]

Tempted to go the worcej route of saying just kill me so misdirected town will stop wasting time on me. But I am going to try to stand up for myself once again. Hamilton, please entertain the thought that your first impression of me might have been wrong. Ever since my vote at the end of day one I know you have thought that I was scum and have tried to twist everything I say to fit that assumption. If you weren't so dogged about it I would think that you were mafia or third party but I now think you must be town because of it. It is misdirecting the conversation and allowing scum to either hide out of the spotlight or also push my wagon. Please consider for a moment whether I would have made the move day 1 as scum to switch wagons at the last moment to the same wagon as ghug to both lynch a townsperson. Knowing that would draw huge attention to myself. Why would I ever call ghug matthew if I was scum and knew that was his role?

Also for those who asked, the reason I quoted durga was because I was going to reply to her post and say yes we need to consolidate and then I realized I didn't have time to do that and also vote so I just voted in the reply. Sorry to town for doing that and misdirecting the conversation. I was just trying to avoid the tie and I saw the string of worcej voters and that the bot was 5-5 so I thought I was putting worcej ahead. Didn't know that worcej was still voting himself either.

And before anyone jumps my case saying worcej literally voted for himself right before I voted I wasn't looking at the names I was just trying to do my best to keep a tie from happening.

Just to clarify again, I'm saying that I wasn't looking at the names of who was voting, I was just looking at who was getting voted for and trying to figure out from that who was ahead. Obviously I suck at the end of the day, sorry.

Why did you quote Durga's post when you voted?

[Hamilton Brian]

You see, bo, I'm fine with you listing several people as possible scum because you specifically did not do this.

Hmmm. Tell me more.

[Durga]

Here are some interesting exchanges from d2 while I'm reading.

I definitely agree that there were scum on the bunny wagon but I know it wasn’t me. I think we need to go back through and see who was pushing his wagon and also who was pushing against the bismarck wagon.

Pushing against the Bismarck wagon? Youre stating this as if that alignment is already confirmed.

Another potential slip of the tongue to remember in case that slot turns out to be scum.

Another one for the books

I love to hedge. Why pretend that everything is absolute when we dont have a fucking clue.

Careful, you'll set worcej on you!!!!! Oh wait no you won't because you're not me :p Instead he'll act all meek towards you, lucky you.

##VOTE Vecna

Vecna may have flipped HR to make himself look better.

Something about this comment feels off to me now that I'm re-reading it. Why specifically think Vecna would do that... I always feel strange when people comment on night kills like that.

Before forgetting during catchup, doc on Durga, desperado on seth I guess, for the rhymes heh.

Have you read the thread and do you understand the setup?

Bo, why did you say this to emc? What was wrong with his choices?

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I think Prado asked rdr this like 5 times, Prado you really care about this read from rdr eh?

Other observations:
1. Rdr is looking more scummy to me, he talks about Sarah a lot
2. Bozo would be one bold 3p for making everyone hypo-claim. Not impossible though
3. When I asked ghug for his scum reads he gave me: Brian, seth, flash, Prado, Bo ----- no way he only gave me all town, right? Out of all of them the Prado one seems like the best scum read, it's the only one with actual reasons - maybe he's bussing?:

"Prado seems to be approaching every post like he's trying to win arguments with uncompelling gotchas rather than showing any desire to actually figure things out, and those interactions have been limited to a few target." (Post 1005)

Whenever ghug talks about seth it feels awkward too but maybe I'm just focusing on that because of my current suspicion. It's actually interesting that ghug has commented on scum reading Seth multiple times but I do not see seth commenting back on it - despite the fact that Seth said he was sus of ghug/vecna at the beginning (and then only focused on vecna).
***Reading forward, seth eventually does make a post on ghug/vecna being scum (Post 1295) and continues to push ghug, and vote for him at one point. I don't think I can read much from it though, but even reading seth's posts again I still get the townie vibe I initially got.

It's too bad ghug doesn't really push anyone so it's hard to clear people based on his lazy ass interactions. He pushes Prado but it honestly doesn't seem like the worst case - he's pushing Prado lightly for legit reasons. I am town reading summit even harder because of what ghug says about summit though, especially that ridiculously long "sequence of events" post he made where summit's reply was just like "seems just like a fairly personal gut read"

I will keep reading, yawn, long posts

[seth24c]

And before anyone jumps my case saying worcej literally voted for himself right before I voted I wasn't looking at the names I was just trying to do my best to keep a tie from happening.

Just to clarify again, I'm saying that I wasn't looking at the names of who was voting, I was just looking at who was getting voted for and trying to figure out from that who was ahead. Obviously I suck at the end of the day, sorry.

Why did you quote Durga's post when you voted?

Please read my post.

[seth24c]

Durga you realize the "one for the books" is in my favor because I correctly identified that there was scum on the wagon and even tried to push that ghug was likely the one?

[Durga]

Durga you realize the "one for the books" is in my favor because I correctly identified that there was scum on the wagon and even tried to push that ghug was likely the one?

The key part there is the Bismarck thing.

[Hamilton Brian]

Durga you realize the "one for the books" is in my favor because I correctly identified that there was scum on the wagon and even tried to push that ghug was likely the one?

Really? How'd you push it?

Really, I am not meaning to focus so much energy with trying to read you. I've got others to cover, but I am interested in your defenses.

Oh, and you spelled favour wrong!

[seth24c]

Durga you realize the "one for the books" is in my favor because I correctly identified that there was scum on the wagon and even tried to push that ghug was likely the one?

The key part there is the Bismarck thing.

In what way?

[Durga]

Bob, you say you're reading but why aren't you sharing any thoughts about your reads? It can't be that hard.

[seth24c]

Durga you realize the "one for the books" is in my favor because I correctly identified that there was scum on the wagon and even tried to push that ghug was likely the one?

Really? How'd you push it?

Really, I am not meaning to focus so much energy with trying to read you. I've got others to cover, but I am interested in your defenses.

Oh, and you spelled favour wrong!

I put forth several times that I thought at least 1-2 out of those on the bunny wagon (out of vecna, worcej, ghug) were scum. I also singled out that I thought ghug was the most suspicious of the three.

[TrPrado]

You see, bo, I'm fine with you listing several people as possible scum because you specifically did not do this.

Hmmm. Tell me more.

I will let you figure that one out.

[TrPrado]

Just to clarify again, I'm saying that I wasn't looking at the names of who was voting, I was just looking at who was getting voted for and trying to figure out from that who was ahead. Obviously I suck at the end of the day, sorry.

Why did you quote Durga's post when you voted?

Please read my post.

My apologies, my eyes glazed over for a bit.

[seth24c]

Why did you quote Durga's post when you voted?

Please read my post.

My apologies, my eyes glazed over for a bit.

No worries, evidently I'm tough to read in more than one way.