MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

When are we finally going to roll scum together Ghug?

It feels like its been an eternity since I last played a game with you regardless

Someday, baby. Yeah I hadn't played in like a year until Flum talked me into the last one.

I get the feeling Vecna and ghug are mafia and are taunting us.

Page 9, followed by this

You are right, Ghu-gyi. I am surprised we are only on page 10.

Yeah we really need to get back on track and also hear from some of those who haven’t posted yet.

Do you have reads on anyone yet, Seth?

and then

Yeah we really need to get back on track and also hear from some of those who haven’t posted yet.

Do you have reads on anyone yet, Seth?

Still pretty neutral on most people at this point. Do you have a read on Venca?

followed by a bunch of other posts on the topic.

He hounded Ghug quite a bunch. Never got back to linked me back to Ghug when he did flip.

All seems pretty natural. Ghug complimented him as the best newby player ever if he was mafia.

Nothing that really stands out as scummy.

Being suspicious of me doing the "why havent we rolled scum together Ghug" post could be a thing as either alignment. But he later also is suspicious over me potentially coaching Hamilton.

No real reason for suspicions there, actually.

[bo_sox48]

No, Durga, I'm mocking ghug. Is it not obvious?

[damo666]

And what was he like?

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Sorry Fox can you remind me of your conclusions

[Durga]

Time for some seth-digging

I win when the mafia and third party are defeated.

Do you?

very small notch: This is typically the type of shit that Ghug does love to do with his teammates. Why single out little seth of all people.

isn't this seth's first game? would ghug do that?

[Vecna]

I clearly do not have enough scumreads for this phase of the game

[Durga]

Yes I do. Do you?

Yep.

Ok now I believe you.

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

UHM CAN WE TLK ABOUT THIS LMAO

[damo666]

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Still not caught up, but Worcej does do this thing as town that's very angry about getting miskilled. He did that some D2, which gave me pause, but I want to go back to M1010 and look, but I just don't think he ever came up for the kill there for a real comparison if he also can play that card as scum.

I honestly want to say the only time worcej town read me was when I was scum and he was 3p

worcej is notorious for his wrong reads. Him scumreading is ironically a town indicator imho

[summit_fever]

Yep.

Ok now I believe you.

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

UHM CAN WE TLK ABOUT THIS LMAO

oh my.

[summit_fever]

##vote seth

[damo666]

It's currently Worcej (4) versus Bob (3), with an unvote, a vanity wagon, and Bob hanging out on a perch from which he can save himself. I do appreciate this concern, but it also seems out of character for you to have and to highlight in this circumstance.

It's very out of character, because most setups don't have a mechanic where a PR being forced out of the weeds could lose us the game.

I thought there was a determination that the 3P's catch-PRs-to-win mechanic had been nixed by PR deaths?

Anyway, I'm close enough to caught up to ##VOTE WORCEJ

witch can win by simply outsurviving all PRs

[seth24c]

K ghug used the why do you always treat me like this thing to get me to back off him. And now you're using the same kinda thing to make me back off you. And it actually works and it's really annoying and I would like it if you could just play the game without being so dramatic and unnecessary. But I'm no longer engaging in this discussion

Ghug sure is a sneaky bastard like that, its almost like he gathered a little notebook over the years with exact instructions on how to pocket people to not be too suspicious about him.

It was one of the things, along with the general suspicion I had of the others on the day 1 bunny vote, that made me suspicious of him during the early part of day two. I felt like on day 1 he was trying to pocket me a little bit but he is pretty smooth about it so I wasn't sure if I should push his day 2 wagon since no one else seemed to be very suspicious of him.

[Vecna]

You better slow down there Matthew, you only get two scans.

UHM CAN WE TLK ABOUT THIS LMAO

oh my.

can you both explain why u think this looks bad?

[Foxcastle]

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Sorry Fox can you remind me of your conclusions

Yes.

[seth24c]

Bob, damo, emc, Fox, Seth, and Prado have not voted. Can yall vote so we can coalesce on some wagons early? In the event we wagon on our PR it would be helpful to give them some time to weasel their way out of it as opposed to forcing them to claim simply to survive.

Bringing this back for emc, Prado, seth, and Fox.

Trying to catch up now.

[Durga]

UHM CAN WE TLK ABOUT THIS LMAO

oh my.

can you both explain why u think this looks bad?

i never said it looked bad. but it should indicate something. like it would be soooo bold of scum!seth and this is his first game!!! like what

although if i was town!seth and ghug flipped matthew i would have flaunted that shit so hard

[Foxcastle]

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Sorry Fox can you remind me of your conclusions

Yes.

Although now that I've pointed you at that, I'll say that my review of Worcej's other mis-hangings aren't really comparable. As town, it looks like he has a slight tendency to stay engaged and try to scum hunt and ask questions. He does often drop off for before being hanged. In m52, he did endvote himself as mafia, but it was a weird day and it looks like he was outed as mafia anyway. Unfortunately, several of his mafia games where he was successfully killed, he was caught by scan and kinda sat around taunting town, so those aren't useful comparisons.

The games of interest are M1009, M1011, and M47. He did threaten to quit mafia for being mis-killed in M1011.

[TrPrado]

im slowly being persuaded into thinking theres better lynches today than Worcej and Bob.

Bob's being.....very opinionated based on the stuff he's obviously missed, but at least he believes it.

Im definately being suckered into something by Worcej, but I fully believe he'd be able do this stuff as town as well. I vividly remember a game where he nearly threw an unloosable game by vigging a slot that was townread by nearly everyone, but he went crusader-mode, just like here.

The self vote is really throwing me off, man.

[summit_fever]

UHM CAN WE TLK ABOUT THIS LMAO

oh my.

can you both explain why u think this looks bad?

You think it's just a joke? It's a 16-1 shot based on luck. Or someone got a lil cocky.

[seth24c]

##Vote Seth

Basing that vote on:
a) the apology post where Seth claims they got nervous from all the talk about the Bis wagon;
b) claim to being overwhelmed at the vote and being the deciding vote (why should that matter?);
c) reiterating the feeling of being "overwhelmed" in several posts; the decision to put a vote on Bis to, and I'm paraphrasing, "bring them into the game." The multiple apologizing seems trying to stretch the appearance of town too far.
d) protesting; Paraphrasing again, "I am not scum."

I don’t understand b) and d), can you elaborate?

Thanks to Damo for resurrecting thus post. Heh. B means what it says. I drew that opinion from what they said defending their vote. My piece in parentheses was my overarching question to consider for that point.

D is the reference to what I'll label gratuitous reminders to us that he's not scum. Because he says so.

It would be worthwhile to check out the D2 posts back and forth between Seth and Ghug. Reading those, now knowing that Ghug was scum, might offer some fresh insight into who Seth really is. I had closed my case on him well before the D2 vote and opted to consider him town. Now? I think he's scummy.

I do think it is worth while to read back and forth between ghug and I. You will see that I am often trying to get ghug to engage in specifics because I felt that he posted a lot without much substance. To me it was suspicious and I wanted to get him talking whenever I could to see if I could confirm my suspicions.

[Durga]

oh my.

can you both explain why u think this looks bad?

You think it's just a joke? It's a 16-1 shot based on luck. Or someone got a lil cocky.

Well not exactly, because it was relevant to the whole lie detector discussion i guess