MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Foxcastle]

I have done no work to catch up since like Friday. Sorry. I have most of today to correct that and will be around and active by EOD.

But I see Worcej is self-voting. That seems dramatic. Anything else I should look for as I catch up on 20 or so pages?

[damo666]

The more I think about it the less it seems like worcej is scum. What kind of insane bold ass play would that be.

Do you think the claim of VT was a careless mistake born of frustration or calculated?

its either scum or town that wants to demonstrate their townyness by taking away the possibility of fakeclaiming and outing a pr in the process. Quite a clever play really, since even as a town pr you could use it to hide and divert suspicion if you do survive.

Which do you think Vecna?

[Durga]

Has worcej been scum before?

[Durga]

Man I don't know why worcej would let the scum team down like that it'd be so selfish and lame on his end if he's scum.

[damo666]

Has worcej been scum before?

I've won with him as scum

[damo666]

Man I don't know why worcej would let the scum team down like that it'd be so selfish and lame on his end if he's scum.

If we reprieve him he'll have 72 hours to prove his worth.

[damo666]

##vote BobMcBob

[Durga]

Has worcej been scum before?

I've won with him as scum

And what was he like?

[bo_sox48]

What do I need to dial back? I’m not worked up, I’m just posting lmao

Hey bo why did you say you could figure out my alliance/ghugs if you look into our convo but then you didn't look into our convo. Also are you scared of me?

Bo has still not addressed his fear of me

You asked me a question at 11:30 at night and then start crying when I haven’t answered by 8 am? What’s up with you?

The only place in the game where you *know* that you and ghug are both going to be open and genuine is when you’re talking with each other. The best content to read to determine someone’s alignment is when they’re at their most genuine and perhaps vulnerable. This isn’t really a difficult concept, and I don’t really care if it embarrasses you to acknowledge that you two are real around each other regardless of your roles in a game.

I have a healthy respect for you when you’re sober. I’m fucking terrified of you when you’re drunk. Why do you think I’m scared of you, and why are you soooooo anxious to hear me say it?

I'm with you on this Vecna. Worcej could easily do this as town. I don't think I've seen him as mafia but when he was third party he was NOT like this

I agree with this, but if he’s gonna hammer on himself and not play is there really an option? Throwing a fit and hammering himself is the easiest meta to repeat in any bad situation as scum and if we say “he’s done this as town” and give him passes for it he’s gonna find some game to coast through by doing that. Could be this one.

##Vote Seth

Basing that vote on:
a) the apology post where Seth claims they got nervous from all the talk about the Bis wagon;
b) claim to being overwhelmed at the vote and being the deciding vote (why should that matter?);
c) reiterating the feeling of being "overwhelmed" in several posts; the decision to put a vote on Bis to, and I'm paraphrasing, "bring them into the game." The multiple apologizing seems trying to stretch the appearance of town too far.
d) protesting; Paraphrasing again, "I am not scum."

I don’t understand b) and d), can you elaborate?

[bo_sox48]

Bob, damo, emc, Fox, Seth, and Prado have not voted. Can yall vote so we can coalesce on some wagons early? In the event we wagon on our PR it would be helpful to give them some time to weasel their way out of it as opposed to forcing them to claim simply to survive.

Bringing this back for emc, Prado, seth, and Fox.

[damo666]

Has worcej been scum before?

I've won with him as scum

And what was he like?

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

[Foxcastle]

Bob, damo, emc, Fox, Seth, and Prado have not voted. Can yall vote so we can coalesce on some wagons early? In the event we wagon on our PR it would be helpful to give them some time to weasel their way out of it as opposed to forcing them to claim simply to survive.

Bringing this back for emc, Prado, seth, and Fox.

It's currently Worcej (4) versus Bob (3), with an unvote, a vanity wagon, and Bob hanging out on a perch from which he can save himself. I do appreciate this concern, but it also seems out of character for you to have and to highlight in this circumstance.

[Foxcastle]

I've won with him as scum

And what was he like?

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

[Durga]

Bo, I had asked the question before last night and didn't get a response so I had repeated it. I think your explanation makes no sense and is just untrue in general and is bizarre since ghug was literally lying scum when we were interacting so I have no idea what you're getting at. And you can't get much more info from any shit posting. The fact that you're implying you can, but still didn't bother trying to get that info, irks me. Not to mention you're now saying that it's valuable info, but then yelled at ghug for shit posting for two pages. If you can figure out someone's role because of that convo why would you a) not do it yourself b) yell at ghug for something that sounds like a net positive if you're town trying to figure out who is scum

My mind keeps going back and forth on bo. But why would town bo make up some silly thing about being genuine with ghug I'm like this with so many people. Sounds like an excuse

The being scared thing was because I felt like you've ignored me at times when you replied to others. I just feel like you're avoiding interacting with me too much.

[Foxcastle]

So you think that it is possible that with 30 minutes to go, and the top 4 wagons town, 2 of Vecna, summit, and Durga decided it would be a good time to bus a mafia PR? If so, why did ghug sit out the bus?

I agree with you on theory, but how do you know the top 4 wagons are town?

yeah wait what

Whatever happened to this? Did Durga and Rdr catch it and then do nothing with it?

[Durga]

I've won with him as scum

And what was he like?

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I'm not opposed but if he's not gonna bother even trying as town what's the point of keeping him alive. It's just gonna be a doubt the whole time. I don't know why he isn't even trying to vote anyone else. Agh I hate it. I hate players like this.

[Durga]

I agree with you on theory, but how do you know the top 4 wagons are town?

yeah wait what

Whatever happened to this? Did Durga and Rdr catch it and then do nothing with it?

Keep reading

[Foxcastle]

And what was he like?

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Still not caught up, but Worcej does do this thing as town that's very angry about getting miskilled. He did that some D2, which gave me pause, but I want to go back to M1010 and look, but I just don't think he ever came up for the kill there for a real comparison if he also can play that card as scum.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote Seth

Basing that vote on:
a) the apology post where Seth claims they got nervous from all the talk about the Bis wagon;
b) claim to being overwhelmed at the vote and being the deciding vote (why should that matter?);
c) reiterating the feeling of being "overwhelmed" in several posts; the decision to put a vote on Bis to, and I'm paraphrasing, "bring them into the game." The multiple apologizing seems trying to stretch the appearance of town too far.
d) protesting; Paraphrasing again, "I am not scum."

I don’t understand b) and d), can you elaborate?

Thanks to Damo for resurrecting thus post. Heh. B means what it says. I drew that opinion from what they said defending their vote. My piece in parentheses was my overarching question to consider for that point.

D is the reference to what I'll label gratuitous reminders to us that he's not scum. Because he says so.

It would be worthwhile to check out the D2 posts back and forth between Seth and Ghug. Reading those, now knowing that Ghug was scum, might offer some fresh insight into who Seth really is. I had closed my case on him well before the D2 vote and opted to consider him town. Now? I think he's scummy.

[Durga]

more active if i recall correctly, the current stunt is not worcejscumlike but nothing is impossible. I'd rather give him the opportunity of another day.

I have discussed the differences in his games.

Still not caught up, but Worcej does do this thing as town that's very angry about getting miskilled. He did that some D2, which gave me pause, but I want to go back to M1010 and look, but I just don't think he ever came up for the kill there for a real comparison if he also can play that card as scum.

I honestly want to say the only time worcej town read me was when I was scum and he was 3p