MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Hamilton Brian]

HB - I can see why he was one of the biggest wagons yesterday. He kind of felt awkward or helpful without being helpful for the majority of day 2. He also fixated on Seth a lot, which I just cannot get as Seth looks like a really strong town to me. I think I'd be down for a HB-sacrifice today if that's still an option.

Quick question HB, why did you see Seth as scum? I feel very much like he was an honest, helpful, active townsperson from what I read of him. Which part of behaviour makes (or made) you think otherwise?

Already laid out my case here: viewtopic.php?p=168867&sid=831b9d9e6d0b ... 84#p168867

This case on the other hand, I am not a fan of. I can totally see why a new player would be scared having a deciding vote, being overwhelmed is a thing that happens with mafia game, and protesting that you are not scum is an incredibly common noob town behaviour as well as for noob scum. Whereas the general vibe I got from him was of a noob who knew a surprising amount about how to play and was genuinely trying to help.

So you’re asserting I’m wrong? It was my case and then it got invalidated through some good wordsmithing by Seth. I am still very suspicious of them, but I think there are bigger fish to fry...unless Seth is goon or 3P. So who do you suggest we focus on now?

[worcej]

This is my last post of the phase. I'll keep reading, but will not respond anymore this day due to just getting annoyed by it. How very bo_ of me...

Anyways: I am town. Most of you do not believe me and will not believe me anyways so 'enjoy' my flip and start looking beyond that. Do me that favor once you know you were wrong.

Pay attention to the people who couldn't help but push me. Fox did the initial push and then kinda peaced out when I resisted. I still find that hella scummy and is on-par with this scum game IMHO.

My final thoughts: Fox+Durga are the last two. 3P is most likely the witch, so PRs need to stfu going forward if you are one.

##vote worcej
##end

[BobMcBob]

You haven't missed much?

I like how his immediate next post talks about killing damo for being useless

So Bob subs in as scum and immediately 2 of his teammates are dead. Might produce something awkward like this.

"I haven't gone over the iso but vecna feels off so far..."

Has bob actually played scum before?

Okay, if you insist. Original opinion time.
Vecna's performance has been absolutely stellar this game. I truly believe this is the best I've ever seen him play, better than any of the games where he almost single-handedly led to a town victory. His slightly more sheepish approach is a brilliant way to prevent an NK while also being safe from a hanging because, y'know, he's Vecna. Vecna is absolutely my core towncore, more so than even damo or seth. (Wait is that even an original opinion? Does originality even exist anymore? Is it really more important to be original than right? Who cares?)

[BobMcBob]

Already laid out my case here: viewtopic.php?p=168867&sid=831b9d9e6d0b ... 84#p168867

This case on the other hand, I am not a fan of. I can totally see why a new player would be scared having a deciding vote, being overwhelmed is a thing that happens with mafia game, and protesting that you are not scum is an incredibly common noob town behaviour as well as for noob scum. Whereas the general vibe I got from him was of a noob who knew a surprising amount about how to play and was genuinely trying to help.

So you’re asserting I’m wrong? It was my case and then it got invalidated through some good wordsmithing by Seth. I am still very suspicious of them, but I think there are bigger fish to fry...unless Seth is goon or 3P. So who do you suggest we focus on now?

I have yet to decide who to focus on, but I can tell you we should all focus the heck off worcej. Vote him if you want, but don't make today national worcej day unless you're trying to get him off the noose because you're convinced he's town. I'd still prefer to lynch someone else, I'll decide who later.

[rdrivera2005]

This case on the other hand, I am not a fan of. I can totally see why a new player would be scared having a deciding vote, being overwhelmed is a thing that happens with mafia game, and protesting that you are not scum is an incredibly common noob town behaviour as well as for noob scum. Whereas the general vibe I got from him was of a noob who knew a surprising amount about how to play and was genuinely trying to help.

So you’re asserting I’m wrong? It was my case and then it got invalidated through some good wordsmithing by Seth. I am still very suspicious of them, but I think there are bigger fish to fry...unless Seth is goon or 3P. So who do you suggest we focus on now?

I have yet to decide who to focus on, but I can tell you we should all focus the heck off worcej. Vote him if you want, but don't make today national worcej day unless you're trying to get him off the noose because you're convinced he's town. I'd still prefer to lynch someone else, I'll decide who later.

Don't use the L word please.


So, we have something in common, I would rather kill you then Worcej. You have time to write all those posts saying nothing but you can't read the thread? I can understand you not reading the past days before you sub, but the last days aren't that hard to keep up.

##vote BobMcBob

[BobMcBob]

omg lmao you think 100% that i get chaqa lynched and tunnel on ghug when no one else was? as scum?

Why not. It is entirely possible.

Possible = 100 percent? Get out of here worcej

This response is just awful. You were saying it as though there was no chance that would be a scum move and he said that it was in fact a possibility. I don't see where the discrepancy between that and his vote is. I mean yes he is convinced that's the case but that's actually somewhat irrelevant to his response here.

[BobMcBob]

So you’re asserting I’m wrong? It was my case and then it got invalidated through some good wordsmithing by Seth. I am still very suspicious of them, but I think there are bigger fish to fry...unless Seth is goon or 3P. So who do you suggest we focus on now?

I have yet to decide who to focus on, but I can tell you we should all focus the heck off worcej. Vote him if you want, but don't make today national worcej day unless you're trying to get him off the noose because you're convinced he's town. I'd still prefer to lynch someone else, I'll decide who later.

Don't use the L word please.


So, we have something in common, I would rather kill you then Worcej. You have time to write all those posts saying nothing but you can't read the thread? I can understand you not reading the past days before you sub, but the last days aren't that hard to keep up.

##vote BobMcBob

Ah shoot, I missed that one as well. It's a habit and in Australia it really doesn't come up as a thing, so it sometimes slips my mind.

My problem is that if I do go back and read, you won't see head or tail of me for ages. Even if I go back and just read N2 you'll see me next in about 12 hours' time. I'm keeping up now because progress is slow but reading 20 pages worth of stuff will keep me absent for quite some time, and I won't have the possibility to bring anything along. So I guess that's what I'll go do now. See you in like 12 hours or something with no opinions.

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 3.3
Worcej (3) bozo, summit, worcej
BobMcBob (2) Hamilton, rdr
Bo_sox48 (1) durga
e.m.c^42 (1) vecna

ENDVOTES: worcej for worcej

At this moment, worcej looks the worse for wear, dying wise.

Still not voted:
Emc, bo, damo, foxy, seth, prado, bob
Everyone has adequately posted, numerically.

18 hours and 43 minutes remain in ‘today.’

[Hamilton Brian]

God damn it. Why does this stick out to me like an overgrown wood nettle?

"I largely town read the CHaqa wagon so if you're town probably join us"

What are you trying to signal there, Durga?

[bo_sox48]

I'm not sure how everyone could have adequately posted given I have not posted. Am I dead? I don't have a PM.

[bo_sox48]

I'm definitely not dead lol.

[Hamilton Brian]

To Fox: You're definitely the best scum player with that smiley. I don't know if the emojis are a signal or not. Harmless?

And some more quotes:
viewtopic.php?p=167664#p167664; I'd put in more effort as scum (deflection?).

THis goddamned game with ghug: "Are you obsessed with me?" "Ghug, you're so different from last game. "

You did make the claim statement; could come back against you, but at least you made it. So opposed to the lie detector statement but not explaining why.

Fakeclaiming doc? But then that allowed you to call out ghug, but I can't goddamned tell if those nuances you have with other players are your style, if it's your way of signalling to others. Then Ghug gives the "can you chill." Was that code for you to stop laying it on? Damn it. Durga banter with scum!ghug is innocent, or Durga banter with scum!ghug is scum team?

And then I get to this post, and I feel like my entire train is derailed: "Also, I'm hella sus of ghug and would like to request whoever has night powers that are investigatory to check him out." viewtopic.php?p=168903#p168903

I can't see any reason that Durga would push that thought out there. If anyone things otherwise, hip me to it.

Fuck, I feel like I wasted more of this night running down a hole for nothing.

After all that...Bo town, Durga town, Damo town.

I'm going to have some homebrew.

[bo_sox48]

Chaqa-ghug-worcej-yoyo/Bob? Hmmmm.

I'm probably missing something, but I just started 4 pages back. You're voting for me, but you're not scumreading me?

Jesus, I missed that post from Bob the first time. Thanks for reposting. Bob's posts are like an old can of Miller Lite. Definitely not filling and doesn't taste great.

I'm still reading Worcej but coming up with ugh.

Super suspicious of Bob, Seth, Bo_. The only caveat is that when pushed Seth goes to some lengths to lay out some research (pro-town?). Still has avoided my questions to them, though.

I feel like those that are 3p would play a different style; not sure how it would differ from their typical town play.

Let me get this straight. You miss a post, someone else quotes it, you read it, and immediately they jump to the top of your scumreads. You don’t have anything of your own, it’s just that post. Is that accurate?

You’re reading worcej, but coming up with nothing. Does that mean he is a null read?

Why are you super suspicious of Bob, Seth, and Bo_?

What do you expect to see from the third party?

I 100% think Durga is scum, but don't think anyone will agree with me at this point.

omg lmao you think 100% that i get chaqa lynched and tunnel on ghug when no one else was? as scum?

Why not. It is entirely possible.

Have you considered the possibility that Durga is not scum but also is not town? I don’t read it that way, for what it’s worth, but every time you say this I a) have no idea what is with your fixation on Chaqa being bussed by one of his early voters, and b) feel more and more as if there is a reason you’re not explicating clearly why you want Durga dead.

Okay - hold on. So, witch auto wins if our 2 PR's die right? So... We should kill for 3p? Not sure how to go about doing this

Yes, the witch auto wins and town and mafia both lose if all PRs are dead.

TBF - I think bozo is the 3P and not scum.

Nvm.

Your defensiveness seems unwarranted when you factor in the reality that no one listens to me.

Why should people listen to you?

Forget what I said about Bo_. After looking at voting and comments, as annoyed as I am with the friggin' walls of text (because I think that distracts and can throw town off), I am convinced Bo_ is town. Voting seems decent and uncontroversial. That frustration and annoyance that comes through seems righteously town, even if their read on Damo was absolutely incorrect.

Pretty convinced that Bo_ is town. So that's 2 that I am certain about.

Back into the depths of it.

My read on damo was absolutely fucking spot on. He was doing everything I said he was doing, and his role was the reason why. He just wasn’t mafia, and made a great read on a player that many of us, myself included, weren’t confident enough to pursue.

That would be a dumb mafia team - keeping a town clear alive just to avoid a 3p win makes the scum more likely to be hit.

This sounds like advice to your teammate if you get killed today.

This post won't age well when I flip VT.

Why in the everloving fuck would you say this, true or not?

I’m going to reread worcej before EOD, but for now, worcej, if you want to hang I’m not one to deny you the opportunity. I assume you’ll change your mind. ##VOTE worcej

[bo_sox48]

Bob, damo, emc, Fox, Seth, and Prado have not voted. Can yall vote so we can coalesce on some wagons early? In the event we wagon on our PR it would be helpful to give them some time to weasel their way out of it as opposed to forcing them to claim simply to survive.

[bo_sox48]

And worcej voting for yourself, can you also help coalesce? You're not being helpful if you're town, and you're probably being even less helpful to your wincon if you're not town.

[Hamilton Brian]

Dial it back some. Thought you were camping and reflecting on why this game Riles you up so.

[bo_sox48]

What do I need to dial back? I’m not worked up, I’m just posting lmao

[Durga]

Aight what did I miss

[Durga]

God damn it. Why does this stick out to me like an overgrown wood nettle?

"I largely town read the CHaqa wagon so if you're town probably join us"

What are you trying to signal there, Durga?

What? Signal what? I needed to get the Chaqa wagon going so I said what I said

[Durga]

I'm not defensive worcej I just find you really exhausting