MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

I was re-reading D1 looking for who were against a policy lynch of Sarah and didn't mind Bismarck being a wagon: Summit and Fox.
Summit already addressed it and I think he is town.

Re-reading Fox D1 I just can't help feeling this was scum Fox. Fighting with Vecna and Durga, giving a weak scum read on Ghug and flying under the radar.

Could someone explain why most people are townreading Fox? I can't find any towny moments from him.

I liked his push on worcej, and I doubt he would go to the trouble of quoting past games to try to get a wagon going early D2 as mafia. Considering I suspect worcej is mafia, I think Foxcastle would be even more unlikely to do that to bus a teammate, but even if worcej is town, I do not see why Foxcastle would want to be seen as the primary driver of a D2 mis-kill as scum.

However, I do think Foxcastle in one of the candidates for a mafia on Chaqa's wagon.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo @summit I would like you two to elaborate your case on worcej because I still haven't heard a convincing reason to vote for him. I even have him as townlean at the moment. What it is it about worcej's play that makes him scum?

There is this comment suggesting early Chaqa voters are scum:

The following slots have unfavourable voting both days

Bob
Bo
ghug
Ham
Worcej

Unfavorable due to what? Important criteria to assess.

Also, yeah my D2 was bad, but I stand by my read. I still don’t feel that Chaqa’s wagon occurred naturally.

Followed by this hard to believe read:

I 100% think Durga is scum, but don't think anyone will agree with me at this point.

At D2 EOD, worcej posted this after not posting for 3.5 hours:

FINALLY got network access back at my workplace...

Catching up ASAP.

Then, 2 minutes later, he posted this:

##vote Hamilton Brian

I don't like flash's wagon and I don't like Chaqa's

I am pissed I didn't have network access or my cell phone until now.

I do not see how he could have caught up enough on 3.5 hours in 2 minutes to have concluded he does not like Chaqa's wagon.

After emc moved his vote to Chaqa, worcej disparaged emc's vote with this:

To be clear, EMC is forcing chaos by tying all the wagons.

On D2, worcej's first mention of summit was him agreeing with TrPrado rather than stating his own reasons to vote for summit:

Summit has consistently been responding to pressure by cherry picking or ignoring it. I told him he ignored my question, he asked me to repeat it and when I did I didn't get an answer. But he REALLY needed to post his EON reads instead. Not liking this.

Couldn't say it any better. I like this wagon.

##vote summit

Then there is Foxcastle early case on worcej.

[bozotheclown]

Day 1 means HB cannot be warlock

The description for that role says the predictions must be made at night, so I do not think it was possible to have a prediction in for D1.

[Durga]

That's actually a really good case bozo.

[Hamilton Brian]

HB - I can see why he was one of the biggest wagons yesterday. He kind of felt awkward or helpful without being helpful for the majority of day 2. He also fixated on Seth a lot, which I just cannot get as Seth looks like a really strong town to me. I think I'd be down for a HB-sacrifice today if that's still an option.

Quick question HB, why did you see Seth as scum? I feel very much like he was an honest, helpful, active townsperson from what I read of him. Which part of behaviour makes (or made) you think otherwise?

Already laid out my case here: viewtopic.php?p=168867&sid=831b9d9e6d0b ... 84#p168867

[summit_fever]

Then I guess we need to consult with worcej?

worcej, what do you think? *muffled noises into his headset*

Hmm... apparently he thinks you're a tool for that post summit...

Really though? Chaqa asked for a bus and it went down in that way? This would explain his shitposting with an hour or two to go I guess...and durga was the first scum on the bus? She definitely pushed it in a way that nobody else did. Is this one of the reasons you think she's scum?

I can't tell -- do you believe this, summit?

I think I was willing to re-examine all my strong townreads at this time. I don't believe that happened, no.

I am still curious what prompted your bozo read though.

[summit_fever]

Okay so I've been a little more busy tonight (or distracted) so sorry I won't get as much done. Doesn't seem like I missed too much as far as I can see. My goal for tonight is to get down reads on the players I didn't yesterday, so I'll be doing that. If for some reason you want my opinion on something I can provide it.

You haven't missed much?

[Vecna]

I don't know he seems a bit out of it in general so I'm not exactly seeing it Vecna. What are your thoughts on bo?

Didnt we do a thing on this during last nightphase?

I felt some good vibes there, but.....he's one of those players where I feel that I just cant read em properly. And I vaguely do know he's good at faking a wide range of shit.

Ill probably be stuck in thinking he's probably be town, with suspicion on the side.

not very helpful, I know

[Durga]

I don't know he seems a bit out of it in general so I'm not exactly seeing it Vecna. What are your thoughts on bo?

Didnt we do a thing on this during last nightphase?

I felt some good vibes there, but.....he's one of those players where I feel that I just cant read em properly. And I vaguely do know he's good at faking a wide range of shit.

Ill probably be stuck in thinking he's probably be town, with suspicion on the side.

not very helpful, I know

I know we did, but I feel like the ghug flip changes things

[Vecna]

That's actually a really good case bozo.

Also, lets not forget that Worcej hated EVERYONE for voting him......but Ghug

Ghug had awesome reasoning because Ghug said one post of Worcej was SCUMMY

[Durga]

That's actually a really good case bozo.

Also, lets not forget that Worcej hated EVERYONE for voting him......but Ghug

Ghug had awesome reasoning because Ghug said one post of Worcej was SCUMMY

Lmao I forgot about that. That's right. That was weird too.

[Vecna]

not sure if its conclusive, but it fits in the general narrative of him openly protecting his teammates and just protesting a much about nonsensical sounding stuff.

[TrPrado]

That's actually a really good case bozo.

Also, lets not forget that Worcej hated EVERYONE for voting him......but Ghug

Ghug had awesome reasoning because Ghug said one post of Worcej was SCUMMY

God that was funny then and is hilarious in hindsight

[Vecna]

I don't know he seems a bit out of it in general so I'm not exactly seeing it Vecna. What are your thoughts on bo?

Didnt we do a thing on this during last nightphase?

I felt some good vibes there, but.....he's one of those players where I feel that I just cant read em properly. And I vaguely do know he's good at faking a wide range of shit.

Ill probably be stuck in thinking he's probably be town, with suspicion on the side.

not very helpful, I know

I know we did, but I feel like the ghug flip changes things

What makes you say that?

[Vecna]

I also had a theory that sounded pretty good in my mind involving Seth, but I think I sort of forgot what it was

[Vecna]

Oh yeah, it was seth and EMC being scum together as the remaining two. There were some strands connecting them, but that one is probably a nonsense theory.

[summit_fever]

That's actually a really good case bozo.

Also, lets not forget that Worcej hated EVERYONE for voting him......but Ghug

Ghug had awesome reasoning because Ghug said one post of Worcej was SCUMMY

I like this point.

Then vote for me. Be prepared to be disappointed in 24+ hours.

I'd rather make a better second wagon than summit, but I'm growing more and more content with the possibility of your death.

See, so far I’d say you actually have the best reason to vote for me out of the lot. I respect that significantly more than the current votes.

[TrPrado]

Okay so I've been a little more busy tonight (or distracted) so sorry I won't get as much done. Doesn't seem like I missed too much as far as I can see. My goal for tonight is to get down reads on the players I didn't yesterday, so I'll be doing that. If for some reason you want my opinion on something I can provide it.

You haven't missed much?

I like how his immediate next post talks about killing damo for being useless

[TrPrado]

Which, yeah, makes kind of clear Bob isn’t actually reading...

[Vecna]

I like the direction of this game. All towny people are consistently towny, and all dodgy people are flapping about like drunk seals at a rave party