MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

I find it hard to reason why three scum would land on the same wagon. Unless they were certain it would have held traction. I guess if it had worked then it would have directed a lot of questioning towards them of why they killed another VT. I suppose the risk in the play comes from knowing the next day they would have to bus one of the team.

Of course they didn’t expect to lose ghug at night either so that really changed things.

Probably would make them look worse by jumping on a last-minute wagon.

Who’s got the shittier-looking D2 EoDs?

If there were 2 mafia already voting for you, it might explain why Chaqa avoided your wagon at EOD until it was his only chance of saving himself.

Chaqa had to avoid it because he made that awkward townslip comment. He cornered himself

[damo666]

Okay - hold on. So, witch auto wins if our 2 PR's die right? So... We should kill for 3p? Not sure how to go about doing this

best to kill the remaining mafia.

if both mafia are dead, theres no way for 3p to kill the Pr's

Maf should refrain from NKing me until 3p dead

[Vecna]

Oh also someone should look into bo. He made a comment that I thought was really weird before, and now it's even worse. He said something like if you look into my conversation with ghug that you'd be able to figure out our alignments but that he was too lazy to do so? Which I couldn't understand why he would say that or what he meant. But with ghug flipping scum it's a lot more sus.

Although, imagine this scum team: bo+Chaqa+ghug+vecna

I would die laughing. Even if it's just the first three + one random

It was in one of his big walls of text so I really had to look

As I recall no, but if you want to sift through the casual flirting I’d say his conversations with Durga could probably reveal both of their alignments if you really dug.

I don't get it as an answer to the question worcej asked either. It's pretty clear he asked whether bo thought ghug shitposting at all was AI, but bo seemed to interpret it as anything WITHIN the shitposting that could be AI. Does that make sense? Is that how it reads to anyone else?

It almost sounds like bo answers both to me. He first says that he doesn't recall it being AI for ghug. Then makes the remark that someone could determine both durga/ghug's alignment from digging into their conversation. Not really sure why he thinks that but it definitely seems like a lazy post..

it makes a little sense for him to think so at least given durga and ghugs history I think

[damo666]

Day 1 means HB cannot be warlock

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.0

worcej (2) - bozotheclown, summit_fever

Worcej is scheduled to be hanged.

No other votes have been cast, so 12 people still need to vote.

34 hours and 45 minutes remain.

[rdrivera2005]

Do you think I was bussing ghug?

When? I don't remember you voting Ghug and neither the bot.

I was talking about N2.

How do you bus at night?

[rdrivera2005]

I agree with you on theory, but how do you know the top 4 wagons are town?

yeah wait what

Again, there are only 2 mafia left, so if worcej thinks the 2 remaining scum are in Vecna, summit, and Durga, he would have to think that none of the top 4 wagons were mafia.

I really didn't thought Worcej was serious on this read. There is 0 chance two scum will buss the Executioner that way.
The only thing that refrain me a bit on voting Worcej if the fact Chaqa moved out of HB tp emc when Worcej wagon started. I don't see scum jumpimg out of the leading wagon when his buddy start to get traction.

[rdrivera2005]

Okay, things got pushed back by an hour, so I'm back until EoD.

Someone explain why they're voting for me?

And it's odd the worcej wagon evaporated in like one page, isn't it?

This is scummy as hell. Maybe it isn't a coin flip.

Rdr, when you saw this was so scummy of chaqa why did you wait until the wagon was a runaway to vote for him?

Because as I already said at least twice I was driving home. I only get back to the game when I stopped with less then 5 minutes and then I saw Flash claim and voted the counter wagon.

This post from Chaqa with him moving out of HB when Worcej wagon was growing is what is making me reluctant to vote Worcej now.

[rdrivera2005]

This is scummy as hell. Maybe it isn't a coin flip.

Rdr, when you saw this was so scummy of chaqa why did you wait until the wagon was a runaway to vote for him?

Because as I already said at least twice I was driving home. I only get back to the game when I stopped with less then 5 minutes and then I saw Flash claim and voted the counter wagon.

This post from Chaqa with him moving out of HB when Worcej wagon was growing is what is making me reluctant to vote Worcej now.

On the other side he didn't vote Worcej. Need to do some reading on Ghug, but it's painful.. .

[Hamilton Brian]

Two things
1. I'm a little pissed off that people are entertaining that I would bus two scum team members when everyone knows I don't bus.

Why would you refrain from bussing? Seems to me it serves a point in some cases.

[Hamilton Brian]

Extremely difficult time getting a read on TR.

Damo, any reads that you feel strongly about? Either 3 roles?

[rdrivera2005]

I was re-reading D1 looking for who were against a policy lynch of Sarah and didn't mind Bismarck being a wagon: Summit and Fox.
Summit already addressed it and I think he is town.

Re-reading Fox D1 I just can't help feeling this was scum Fox. Fighting with Vecna and Durga, giving a weak scum read on Ghug and flying under the radar.

Could someone explain why most people are townreading Fox? I can't find any towny moments from him.

[Hamilton Brian]

Apologies for getting in the way of RDR's train of thought so I'll repeat the request in my post.

Rereading page 109 I can't help but get a negative sense of Bo_. Pithy replies like "this makes no sense" or "give me your long-version scumreads." Statements but nothing to back up. Don't begrudge him 48 hours of camping time, but nice way to lay real low and not court extra attention.

And for the benefit of RDR's request, why are people townreading Fox?

[BobMcBob]

Okay so I've been a little more busy tonight (or distracted) so sorry I won't get as much done. Doesn't seem like I missed too much as far as I can see. My goal for tonight is to get down reads on the players I didn't yesterday, so I'll be doing that. If for some reason you want my opinion on something I can provide it.

[Hamilton Brian]

Okay so I've been a little more busy tonight (or distracted) so sorry I won't get as much done. Doesn't seem like I missed too much as far as I can see. My goal for tonight is to get down reads on the players I didn't yesterday, so I'll be doing that. If for some reason you want my opinion on something I can provide it.

Yes; how do feel about Bo_'s assessment of you here: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/contrib/php ... 09#p169909

How would you counter it?

[BobMcBob]

Damp - uh, did he even do anything so far? Most of his posts have been useless, less than 5 word long things with no relevance. I mean he says he'll try to solve later and I'm pretty sure that is his meta from what I hear, but at the moment he's just not doin' anything. I'm going to avoid making early conclusions, if he's still this useless in a couple of days time we can root him out then.
TrPrado - also exists. I don't know what to say, he had some good analysis I guess. He came at things from a pretty good angle and I like that so I'm gonna townlean him.

[BobMcBob]

Okay so I've been a little more busy tonight (or distracted) so sorry I won't get as much done. Doesn't seem like I missed too much as far as I can see. My goal for tonight is to get down reads on the players I didn't yesterday, so I'll be doing that. If for some reason you want my opinion on something I can provide it.

Yes; how do feel about Bo_'s assessment of you here: http://www.webdiplomacy.net/contrib/php ... 09#p169909

How would you counter it?

I mean I can totally see where he's coming from. However he has completely misinterpreted my meaning. That post where ghug asked who I was, I gave what I feel is a fairly honest assessment of myself as a player, so ghug would have some idea who I was. The fact I made that post ain't changing the way I play, nor is it an excuse. I'm not going to coast doing nothing (or at least I'll try to do things) and if I did do nothing I would 100% get lynched for it. The post was not an excuse for my behaviour but a way of signalling it to an unfamiliar player who asked. And I'm not going to just sit here and sheep people into oblivion and make hedgy insignificant reads, or if I come off that way it certainly wasn't my goal.

[BobMcBob]

Damp - uh, did he even do anything so far? Most of his posts have been useless, less than 5 word long things with no relevance. I mean he says he'll try to solve later and I'm pretty sure that is his meta from what I hear, but at the moment he's just not doin' anything. I'm going to avoid making early conclusions, if he's still this useless in a couple of days time we can root him out then.
TrPrado - also exists. I don't know what to say, he had some good analysis I guess. He came at things from a pretty good angle and I like that so I'm gonna townlean him.

I meant damo, not damp. I have absolutely no reads on damp.

[BobMcBob]

@bozo @summit I would like you two to elaborate your case on worcej because I still haven't heard a convincing reason to vote for him. I even have him as townlean at the moment. What it is it about worcej's play that makes him scum?

[Durga]

Oh also someone should look into bo. He made a comment that I thought was really weird before, and now it's even worse. He said something like if you look into my conversation with ghug that you'd be able to figure out our alignments but that he was too lazy to do so? Which I couldn't understand why he would say that or what he meant. But with ghug flipping scum it's a lot more sus.

Although, imagine this scum team: bo+Chaqa+ghug+vecna

I would die laughing. Even if it's just the first three + one random

I really hope thats not the case, because if those 3 are scum together im so eating a mislynch for all my "bo+chaqa+ghug = same person" shittalk lol

I would have to policy kill you if bo flips scum honestly