MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

And now that the wagon of him gathers steam he magically appears again, and does the same "look im catching up thing".

And apparently im flailing just to get [REDACTED].

GM REMINDER - please don't use that word.

[flash2015]

I'm drunk again. What did I miss. I swear I don't have a problem life is just hard

Should watch a movie! "Raat Akeli Hai" which came out a few weeks ago on Netflix wasn't bad...though it was a bit complex.

[Vecna]

Bozo, as you seems to be around and catch up, could you comment on Prado post about you townreading Yoyo for something he didn't do? (page 73, hard to quote on the cell).

or scumreading me for something I didnt do, and commented on like 3 times, while you keep repeating the same argument...

What didn't you do?

attack people for voting Bismarck

[Durga]

I'm drunk again. What did I miss. I swear I don't have a problem life is just hard

Should watch a movie! "Raat Akeli Hai" which came out a few weeks ago on Netflix wasn't bad...though it was a bit complex.

do you speak hindi?

[bozotheclown]

or scumreading me for something I didnt do, and commented on like 3 times, while you keep repeating the same argument...

What didn't you do?

attack people for voting Bismarck

My top town reads are damo, Yoyoyozo, BunnyGo, Foxcastle, and TrPrado. That leaves Bismarck among the current vote leaders, and he has said very little to go on. I am not sure about Durga, I find her suspicious, but when she is scum she typically does a good job at not looking suspicious.

I am going to vote for Bismarck for now because his unexplained vote for damo was somewhat suspicious.

##VOTE Bismarck

This post is really strange to me.

People are scumreading Durga because she is putting in a lot of effort to look good. She's participating, making valid points, decent observations (especially about me being the best town on the website, y'know?). She's trying pretty hard so far.

Yet Bozo is brushing that away because she looks surface suspicious? But she wouldnt look surface suspicious as scum?

The reasoning here is bend over backwards, and its fishy.

Also, since when does Bozo not dare to crusade for his own scumread? Why does he let himself be constrained by the current wagons with so much time to go?

Im finding this a solid ass reason to scumread bozo.

[summit_fever]

Welcome Bob; hope to hear plenty from you. We don't want a mis-kill.

Damn. Reminds me of your scum minigame.

[Vecna]

What didn't you do?

attack people for voting Bismarck

My top town reads are damo, Yoyoyozo, BunnyGo, Foxcastle, and TrPrado. That leaves Bismarck among the current vote leaders, and he has said very little to go on. I am not sure about Durga, I find her suspicious, but when she is scum she typically does a good job at not looking suspicious.

I am going to vote for Bismarck for now because his unexplained vote for damo was somewhat suspicious.

##VOTE Bismarck

This post is really strange to me.

People are scumreading Durga because she is putting in a lot of effort to look good. She's participating, making valid points, decent observations (especially about me being the best town on the website, y'know?). She's trying pretty hard so far.

Yet Bozo is brushing that away because she looks surface suspicious? But she wouldnt look surface suspicious as scum?

The reasoning here is bend over backwards, and its fishy.

Also, since when does Bozo not dare to crusade for his own scumread? Why does he let himself be constrained by the current wagons with so much time to go?

Im finding this a solid ass reason to scumread bozo.

I attacked you on your reasoning on Durga and your process to get to a vote. It had nothing to do with bismarck, just that you only looked at the top few wagons to choose your vote with a lot of time remaining.

[Durga]

Welcome Bob; hope to hear plenty from you. We don't want a mis-kill.

Damn. Reminds me of your scum minigame.

oh, say more about this pls

[flash2015]

Ghug-durga banter I can't tell if it's driven due to out-of-game or personal reason, or if this is some delicious theatrics since I'm on late 50's (where it started) and from what I'm glimpsing of the most recent pages it's still ongoing lmao

Someone who's more experienced with both would probably know, but I wouldn't.

I think it would be pretty bold for a scum pair (famous last words)...though at least currently I am not scumreading either of them.

[Durga]

My issues with HB are that as town he has, without failure, every time, said something SO RIDICULOUS that you wouldn't believe scum would ever say that. But he's being insanely cautious in this game. Now, that can be that he doesn't wanna make another silly mistake, but it could also be that he's scum.

[bozotheclown]

or scumreading me for something I didnt do, and commented on like 3 times, while you keep repeating the same argument...

What didn't you do?

attack people for voting Bismarck

Just look at the 3 on my wagon! Lol

Pretty panicky

The issue I take with that is that it sets up such easy meta for worcej to follow. I don't think anyone legitimately sticks to the exact same meta that we claim to have on them as town or scum every single game; in fact, I can think of very few people who obviously indicate one way or another unintentionally.

What game was super nice worcej? I'm pretty sure he's always nice to me, but that's just because I've made him my minion. He thinks of me what I want him to think of me.

Bo failed to respond to Fox's second paragraph where Fox misremembered Ghug as scum in M57 (which would have been alongside Bo and Fox, who were both scum). Not sure if scum!bo would be so willing to ignore that.

And summit appears again with one comment that is super super specific. I dont even understand the point he's trying to make, but it does show he's reading super carefully I guess, and is being very specific about the things he's responding to.

Summit, why is your free-posting so much lower than it used to be?

[summit_fever]

I don't know, but I think it's very likely, and that doesn't change the fact that I thought it was sus that everyone was voting Bismarck without explaining why and it came up so suddenly and this is how I feel the flash wagon is going

I do not think it is accurate to say the Bismarck wagon came up suddenly, look at the times of the first 4 votes for him: 45:53, 23:34, 4:51, 2:29. That is about as slow as a wagon could develop.

This is how the flash wagon feels too though. And the important part is that no one has a real reason for voting flash.

I'm not saying flash is town, he's null for me, but I don't know if someone who's posted 4 times is the best lynch atm

Agreed, and I'm normally pretty happy to get on the flashtrain. Scumming Vecna seems to be the holy grail of webdip mafia and scum!flash doesn't like to draw attention.

[Durga]

We can see

##vote HB

[Durga]

Bozo stop fucking quoting things and not giving any context it's irritating and spam-y

[summit_fever]

Yoyo’s wagon looks super scummy to me. Maybe he’s not scum. Or at least maybe Yoyo and Worcej aren’t scum together.

You are reading Prado and myself as scum, so you read our interactions as scum vs scum. Do you really think we'd "make up" and then hop on the same leading wagon?

I think Prado has been coming from a town perspective, though I don't know their game at all. I don't see Rivera as scum at all. Maybe Durga, but I'm still okay townreading her.

Can you explain your townread on Rdrivera Summit? Because your thoughts seem to be heading in a somewhat similar direction as mine atm.

I liked his night 1 posting and then HR flipped town. I guess scum!rivera could townread HR right at end of day and agree to nightkill him.

Having re-read Rivera's end of day 1 I'm a little surprised. I thought he had posted more--he only posted twice in the last hour and a half--and it's the kind of end of day where I would expect Rivera to be shaking things up.

I think HR is town this time.

Why's that?

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

Says he was worried about tying the vote but I haven't seen that stop town!Rivera from throwing some weight around in tight end of days where things aren't happening. He seems to have known the correct endtime as well.

[Vecna]

What didn't you do?

attack people for voting Bismarck

Just look at the 3 on my wagon! Lol

Pretty panicky

Bo failed to respond to Fox's second paragraph where Fox misremembered Ghug as scum in M57 (which would have been alongside Bo and Fox, who were both scum). Not sure if scum!bo would be so willing to ignore that.

And summit appears again with one comment that is super super specific. I dont even understand the point he's trying to make, but it does show he's reading super carefully I guess, and is being very specific about the things he's responding to.

Summit, why is your free-posting so much lower than it used to be?

Why are you quoting random posts? What does any of these have to do with me attacking people over voting Bismarck?

[rdrivera2005]

Yes, that was my point, that most of the votes are now on low information slots.

Bozo, as you seems to be around and catch up, could you comment on Prado post about you townreading Yoyo for something he didn't do? (page 73, hard to quote on the cell).

i think you misinterpreted what TrPrado said and the quotes he included. Yoyoyozo was criticizing me for suggesting a mass claim could be beneficial, but he argued in favor of the hypo claims, and he was the one to specifically suggest it for the Weak Doctor.

I re-read Yoyo posts and you are right, he defended the hypo-claim (in a weird way to me) and I missed it.

[flash2015]

So do you believe there was scum on bunny's wagon?

If it was really town v town, which I think is probably the most likely at this point, I'd expect one or two scum to be on the two main wagons and the rest fucking off on the side, especially since I townread Durga and damo, who are the only people I can see really being saved by the main wagons. I don't share your opinion that scum are more likely to have been on Bunny than Bismarck.

I agree that it seems at this point to have probably been town v town and I also agree with the potential for 1-2 scum on the leading wagons. I also townread durga and damo. Which is interesting because the first vote on the bis wagon was bunny (who later moved his vote elsewhere), second was damo who I also townread, third was flash to make it 4 bunny v 3 bis (no reason for scum to do this right?, forth was bozo (another one who I townread) to make it a leading wagon, and fifth was summit, and then myself.

I don't see a reason any of those players (aside from maybe flash) would be jumping on the Bismarck wagon as scum since the bunny wagon was already in full swing. It is very possible I may be missing something but I feel much more confident of finding scum on the bunny wagon.

Why would I uniquely have been the scum on Bismark wagon?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo stop fucking quoting things and not giving any context it's irritating and spam-y

The context was a response to Vecna's question.

[Hamilton Brian]

Gone shopping so won’t be around for a couple of hours. As much as I wanted to give Bob a chance, there’s things I find disconcerting. I’d feel confident to vote them.