MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Hamilton Brian]

What's the rationale for the Yoyo wagon?

Is it because they're a non-poster? Durga has made the closest thing resembling a case.

Is it better to kill off someone we're not hearing from (their inactivity can impede town, unless they're really scum and it doesn't matter) than to kill someone we can build an actual case on because of their interactions?

I think the latter is more viable, especially if Yoyo really is town.

[TrPrado]

What's the rationale for the Yoyo wagon?

Is it because they're a non-poster? Durga has made the closest thing resembling a case.

Is it better to kill off someone we're not hearing from (their inactivity can impede town, unless they're really scum and it doesn't matter) than to kill someone we can build an actual case on because of their interactions?

I think the latter is more viable, especially if Yoyo really is town.

Yoyo has interacted D1, have you read his interactions?

[ghug]

Several, yes!

Could have fooled me.

Would you be shocked if I said you’re my top town read?

I mean you know I'm not scum so not really

[ghug]

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...

You said earlier you think ghug is scum, can you explain that?

I said he is probably scum to be correct.

I don't like the way he was playing. He was around at EOD but try to distance from it.
The interaction with Vecna is weird, kept me thinking both can be scum, but Vecna had some towny moments and Ghug didn't.

It's weak and that's why I put a probably scum and I am not voting him. Also he can't fly under the radar, so it will probably be sorted sooner or later.

How did I try to distance from it?

[Hamilton Brian]

Yoyo has interacted D1, have you read his interactions?

Yes. A lot on mechanics, throwing some shade around. Not much in D1 to build anything, in my opinion.

[ghug]

What's the rationale for the Yoyo wagon?

Is it because they're a non-poster? Durga has made the closest thing resembling a case.

Is it better to kill off someone we're not hearing from (their inactivity can impede town, unless they're really scum and it doesn't matter) than to kill someone we can build an actual case on because of their interactions?

I think the latter is more viable, especially if Yoyo really is town.

Yoyo has interacted D1, have you read his interactions?

They made me townread him.

The fact that I saw him online last night does lend credence to Durga's argument, though.

[TrPrado]

Could have fooled me.

Would you be shocked if I said you’re my top town read?

I mean you know I'm not scum so not really

Oh haha you sure got me!

[bo_sox48]

hi

[Durga]

I'm feeling really good about Seth being town. If he's scum that's some impressive shit.

Also, I'm hella sus of ghug and would like to request whoever has night powers that are investigatory to check him out. I can't understand why he would change his meta as town so drastically. He was actually useless last game and just the fact that he's stopped joking as much irks me.

Because my town play has worked so well for me the last two games?

Shitposting used to get me scumread, which it apparently doesn't do anymore. It's not like I'm not doing it at all.

You're taking this really seriously, and you're more defensive than usual. If it's just a meta change I welcome it, but I feel like it's more than that.

[Durga]

Did yoyo post at all at night?

[Hamilton Brian]

One of the questions I had was around Bismarck dropping their vote on Damo all day on D1. I didn't understand it so I made a point of going back to that day. There was a lot of chatter from others about Damo being scummy. Vec, Bis, Bo, Durga. Vecna took the vote off to go to Bunny (or settle there at the end of the day, anyway).

So, with seeing no Damo wagon in the offering at this point, why? Why day 1 and not day 2? I get that the numerical odds and mechanics posts would lend a lean towards a scum read, but it seems that the critique of them has evaporated. Why?

Foxcastle, you had some harsh words for Damo on day 1. What's your read of them now?
Vecna, Durga, Bo_ ? Would you entertain a Damo wagon again?

[bo_sox48]

Worcej crying about nobody having a reason for voting him seems genuine to me, but he would probably also be genuinely upset at people voting for him as scum too I suppose. Either way I'm leaning town on him.

Yoyo was on my list initially that I can't be bothered to work on at the moment and has done... nothing since? He hasn't posted today or during the night. Seems odd that two of the four wagons that we have right now are on people that haven't actually posted today, but Yoyo at least provided reason to suspect him earlier in the game.

Chaqa and damo, are you voting emc for pressure or for scumminess?

[bo_sox48]

Did yoyo post at all at night?

He has not posted since day 1 when he left with 4 hours to go in the phase saying he would offer some analysis soon, so no.

[bo_sox48]

Vecna, Durga, Bo_ ? Would you entertain a Damo wagon again?

I'm not opposed to voting for damo but I'd like him to answer my question first. I'd also like him to actually play sober a little bit today so I can get a more current read on him.

[Hamilton Brian]

Have to walk down for a beer. Hopefully I'll have some meteoric brain flash on the way I can share with you all.

[Durga]

Vecna, Durga, Bo_ ? Would you entertain a Damo wagon again?

I'm not opposed to voting for damo but I'd like him to answer my question first. I'd also like him to actually play sober a little bit today so I can get a more current read on him.

I thought damo was scum but people are telling me he's always like this

[Foxcastle]

I think Fox may be correct in that it's possible no scum were there on the top wagons on day 1. So many semivanity and vanity wagons with very little movement.

Tell me more about your thoughts on this.

[bo_sox48]

Vecna, Durga, Bo_ ? Would you entertain a Damo wagon again?

I'm not opposed to voting for damo but I'd like him to answer my question first. I'd also like him to actually play sober a little bit today so I can get a more current read on him.

I thought damo was scum but people are telling me he's always like this

If by "like this" you mean stubborn beyond reproach, often incomprehensible, and unwilling to even consider let alone listen to viewpoints not identical to his own, yes, but he has shown pretty clear disinterest in solving the game and that's what gets me. That said, even if someone's meta as town was to blatantly skirt responsibility for the results of the game I would be happy to vote for them.

[Foxcastle]

Also listening to the dead is dumb. By virtue of not having had a chance to invest new information, they know less than we do. Bunny was scum in that game.

It isn’t dumb to listen to them. It’s dumb to think they were omniscient and were right without reflecting on new information.

Agree. You should not blindly follow the dead townies, but at least consider his thoughts as you can be sure they are town motivated.

Townies are often killed because their reads are wrong and scum want to crystallize those views. The other side of the coin is that players with good reads are kept around to avoid suspicion that "X was pushing Q hard, therefor Q probably killed X" when Q is scum. So actually, HR's top reads are probably not scum.

[Durga]

It isn’t dumb to listen to them. It’s dumb to think they were omniscient and were right without reflecting on new information.

Agree. You should not blindly follow the dead townies, but at least consider his thoughts as you can be sure they are town motivated.

Townies are often killed because their reads are wrong and scum want to crystallize those views. The other side of the coin is that players with good reads are kept around to avoid suspicion that "X was pushing Q hard, therefor Q probably killed X" when Q is scum. So actually, HR's top reads are probably not scum.

I don't think we can speculate one way or another