MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

This is entirely wrong. Getting out of the way does not help us sort YOU. If you're only interested in watching others investigate, you can do that from the god thread.

OK, I'll take that under consideration. It was "advice" picked up from over on mafiascum. Really I think I just want to avoid saying something stupid since those errant posts turn into multiple posts, as per previous games.

odd though, because I remember you having no problem towntelling and being towny in previous games. Am I misremembering?

[Hamilton Brian]

Although there is a lot going on with worcej as lead wagon right now, I'm going down the rabbit hole with HR's posts. As Bunny said in a previous game, "listen to what the dead say."

In an exchange about the WD visit, Ghug asked HR why they wouldn't visit. HR suggested because if the visit was to mafia, per the stated role description, WD would be killed.

Ghug, are you of the belief that even a N1 visit with a potential WD death is better than no-visit?

[Hamilton Brian]

Let's go back to page 36. HR packed a lot into that post that should at least raise some eyebrows.

Seth was named as "interesting" based on their jump from the Bismarck wagon to the Bunny wagon.

Secondly, HR suggests the following are suspicious based on their ride of the Bismarck wagon: Bozo, Summit, and Flash. Damo was in that group but HR made a point of declaring the three as "suspicious."

I think HR was NK'd because they would have gotten close to flipping scum as the game progressed. I'll suggest that the fingers point to one of Seth, Bozo, Summit, or Flash as potential scum.

[Durga]

Uhm, I think it's likely that HR was nk'd because he's just a solid player who was unlikely to be saved by doc

[Durga]

I've never had a larger scum boner for you from a statement like this.

You usually always push your own cases and make your opinion known. Now you are sheeping?

Yeah wait - he's got a point. And why couldn't you remember your vote between summit and worcej?

I think if you read my posts from last night that should be pretty apparent

Point taken

[flash2015]

Flash why did you disappear after I said nice things about your participation? Are you trying to make me look stupid

Never! Been busy. Just trying to catch up now. I am not understanding the Hellenic Riot kill. He really didn't say much.

[Hamilton Brian]

Uhm, I think it's likely that HR was nk'd because he's just a solid player who was unlikely to be saved by doc

Why unlikely?

[Hamilton Brian]

Flash why did you disappear after I said nice things about your participation? Are you trying to make me look stupid

Never! Been busy. Just trying to catch up now. I am not understanding the Hellenic Riot kill. He really didn't say much.

But did he say just enough? He's aroused enough suspicion around the Bis/EMC wagon. At least to me. I'm not seeing anyone else going down that hole right now.

[flash2015]

Yoyo seemingly fell off the face of the earth. Is he known for not night posting?

I only played with him one time, and I mistakenly got him killed D1.

I don't hate flash's day 1. Hamilton seems... normal. Hamilton you really need to start putting your opinions out there. EMC and Chaqa both seemed like reluctant subs so I'm willing to see what happens with those slots. Bisemc seems more likely to flip town to me at this point compared to sarcha.

I'd pick Yoyo as a day 2 wagon at this point.

Why Yoyo? Just because he mainly talked mechanics and is a low poster?

[Durga]

I don't know why town yoyo would lurk like this actually, he was pretty keen in the last game

##vote yoyo

[Hamilton Brian]

##Vote Seth

Basing that vote on:
a) the apology post where Seth claims they got nervous from all the talk about the Bis wagon;
b) claim to being overwhelmed at the vote and being the deciding vote (why should that matter?);
c) reiterating the feeling of being "overwhelmed" in several posts; the decision to put a vote on Bis to, and I'm paraphrasing, "bring them into the game." The multiple apologizing seems trying to stretch the appearance of town too far.
d) protesting; Paraphrasing again, "I am not scum."

[flash2015]

Summit has consistently been responding to pressure by cherry picking or ignoring it. I told him he ignored my question, he asked me to repeat it and when I did I didn't get an answer. But he REALLY needed to post his EON reads instead. Not liking this.

Couldn't say it any better. I like this wagon.

##vote summit

These were some very specific things for worcej to complete agree with, especially about a player he had not previously mentioned and had voted for him D1.

##VOTE worcej

Yes, it is interesting that he votes Bunny but mentions him in no other posts D1. And usually early votes (relatively) Monday get less scrutiny than late votes. We tend to obsess too much around late movement.

[flash2015]

Why the Vecna vote Bozo? I've already asked Durga and he seems wildly townread.

I still find Vecna suspicious for voting for BunnyGo then questioning Bismarck voters when BunnyGo flipped town.

Yes, it does feel like he latched on to Bunny as an easy miskill. He has a lot of single line activity but I am not feeling he is getting anywhere with it.

[flash2015]

##GM NOTE
Apparently this community desires to go back to "hidden" status on the forum. That can be arranged.

Sorry

I had to go back to understand this. Why the swearing? I don't remember you doing this in the past.

[flash2015]

Maybe! Worcej could very well be on a quest to better himself, like a Buddhist monk of WebDip Mafia... But I think the simpler explanation is scum meta (motivation to be less abrasive and obtrusive) versus town meta (lack of a need to control).

I could go along with this.

##VOTE worcej

[flash2015]

I haven't been an asshole. Remember his crappy post about that?

I don’t! What was it and why has it struck a cord with you?

The cord it strikes is only that I am trying to not flame/yell/antagonize people. It's a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' situation from my point of view.

It is also a weak case to put me as scum and incredibly lazy. My crimes are:

1. being busy and not posting a lot, but definitely giving content
2. being nice.

I'm okay being a wagon, but at least have something I can counter or explain.

Can you give me some good reasons to vote summit? I really, really want to catch him if this is his first scum game...

[flash2015]

I dont often listen to other people their meta-cases, but Fox is like all zen next to a river, so who knows, this could lead to some good stuff.

I've never had a larger scum boner for you from a statement like this.

You usually always push your own cases and make your opinion known. Now you are sheeping?

Ooh, good point.

##VOTE Vecna

[flash2015]

Flash why did you disappear after I said nice things about your participation? Are you trying to make me look stupid

Never! Been busy. Just trying to catch up now. I am not understanding the Hellenic Riot kill. He really didn't say much.

But did he say just enough? He's aroused enough suspicion around the Bis/EMC wagon. At least to me. I'm not seeing anyone else going down that hole right now.

I don't know if you can really get anything more than WIFOM from this. We don't know whether Bis/EMC is scum (yet). I think it may still be.

[flash2015]

Woohoo! Caught up.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't like Worcej wagon cause I don't have a townread on any of the people in it (maybe a small one on Vecna, but his votes today are meh).

Summit isn't obvtowning like other games, but his votes closer to EOD look more towny then scummy.

I like the people on Yoyo wagon...