MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

Strongly disagree. In addition to what ghug said in a rather vile way, a lot of the time you won’t find scum involved in those conversations at all. They’ll let town yell at each other about mechanics and quietly mull over which of those folks are PRs.



I see a lot of talk about Yoyo and only two votes on him. What’s the case and why is he grabbing people’s attention without actually grabbing their attention?



Is this an attempt at crowdfunding your PR reads or just a ridiculously horrible question, damo?



I too coach my teammates on day 1.



Please no, we’re not policying anyone for anything. That shit is so old. "Better to look within active players" is also not a valid strategy, though.



Lol this is humorously accurate

How is worcej playing too nicely? Why is ghug on your list? Why does worcej warrant a vague explanation while ghug does not?



Will we see you before EOD? I have money to kill on over/unders.

Note to self: Bo is the guy that does those huge walls and monologues as scum though. Not quite like Ghug and Chaqa at all (does chaqa do that as well?).

Regardless, these seem like a lot of questions/comments all gummed up in one post, but im not getting that burning desire type of feeling that he's actually caring for the answers.

The one directed at you in the post you quoted, claimed I didn't actually care about, and proceeded to obviously not read on the basis that it was too long, Vecna.

I mean, in my block of catchup posts there I did talk about Yoyo and his one post that didnt read mafia-oriented.

But ofcourse, its easy to forget what causes people to read whom based on what.

[bozotheclown]

Also, why not go further with the critique on this post HR? It feels like youre going easy on this terrible post.

In fact, im surprised not more people are not at all scrutinizing bozo, just because "he was nitty on a few small things".

I actually dont know if I even agree with him being nitpicky so far.

What makes it terrible, do you disagree with my town reads? It seems to me you are deflecting from the fact that you voted to kill an obviously town BunnyGo.

Also, I explained what was crap about the post in the post prior to it.

You commented on my read of Durga, but I am assuming if you agreed with my other town reads, you would not call the entire post "terrible".

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

And whats your reasoning over calling Rdrivera, summit and yoyo a top town read exactly?

Again, I have covered this.

[ghug]

Why have EON reads lists dropped out of fashion? I feel like 20 games ago if you didn't do a reads list that was enough to draw some suspicion, and now if you never do a reads list ever hardly anyone will blink.

Reads lists are kinda garbage

[e.m.c^42]

Before forgetting during catchup, doc on Durga, desperado on seth I guess, for the rhymes heh.

[Vecna]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

As I said before; not only did Bismarck do nothing all day (and therefore wasn't scummy), but given the GM's had said they only had one replacement available earlier in the day, and two people (including Bismarck) were needing replacements there was a not insignificant chance that he might have been modkilled regardless. Utterly pointless wagon.

Its ok HR, bozo just likes to scumread you for the thing he is putting Rdrivera in his top townreads for.

And apparently me questioning/commenting on Seth is me focusing on the bismarck wagon because I know its town.

[Foxcastle]

Why have EON reads lists dropped out of fashion? I feel like 20 games ago if you didn't do a reads list that was enough to draw some suspicion, and now if you never do a reads list ever hardly anyone will blink.

Reads lists are kinda garbage

They are also fuckall irritating to do. But they created a lot of info, and in particular created space for PRs like the cop to leak info without claiming. So garbage is not the same as useless.

[TrPrado]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

And whats your reasoning over calling Rdrivera, summit and yoyo a top town read exactly?

Again, I have covered this.

If everyone is asking, you probably didn’t cover it well enough.

[Durga]

Before forgetting during catchup, doc on Durga, desperado on seth I guess, for the rhymes heh.

why me??

[Vecna]

What makes it terrible, do you disagree with my town reads? It seems to me you are deflecting from the fact that you voted to kill an obviously town BunnyGo.

I voted Bunny before he became "obviously town" as you like to put it.

In fact, you were voting him at that time as well. So yeah, your statement here is crap.

Im not deflecting that my vote was there, im just playing the game. You want me to say how sorry I am for leaving my vote on Bunny in every post I make? Now thatd make for an interesting game.

I never voted for BunnyGo.

meh, too many names starting with a B in that bot, it was bo_sox

[Durga]

vecna i'm doc saving you <3

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

As I said before; not only did Bismarck do nothing all day (and therefore wasn't scummy), but given the GM's had said they only had one replacement available earlier in the day, and two people (including Bismarck) were needing replacements there was a not insignificant chance that he might have been modkilled regardless. Utterly pointless wagon.

Its ok HR, bozo just likes to scumread you for the thing he is putting Rdrivera in his top townreads for.

And apparently me questioning/commenting on Seth is me focusing on the bismarck wagon because I know its town.

That is an intentionally misleading statement, and therefore seems scum motivated. rdrivera did not vote for BunnyGo, did not attack the Bismarck wagon, and even said he considered voting for Bismarck at EOD. I did not agree with everything rdrivera said, but I see a town motivation for it.

[bozotheclown]

And whats your reasoning over calling Rdrivera, summit and yoyo a top town read exactly?

Again, I have covered this.

If everyone is asking, you probably didn’t cover it well enough.

I am assuming they had not caught up yet when they asked.

[e.m.c^42]

Before forgetting during catchup, doc on Durga, desperado on seth I guess, for the rhymes heh.

why me??

You seem like a decent alt-kill to Vecna if there is another of the "old crowd" in the mafia team, and lack of gut feeling scumread on you?

[Vecna]

Did not attack the Bismarck wagon?

##vote bismarck

Why? What is the difference between Bismarck and Sarah?

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Damo lurked like fuck last time he was scum, I don't really see how this is remotely comparable

Bismarck is a shite wagon full of people I don't have townreads on, so I'd much rather get Bunny still

I think HR is town this time.

That definately does seem like shading that wagon, and praising people with cookies for going against the wagon.

So yeah, then you state you townread Rdrivera for his posts about the lurkers, but scumread HR over that stuff.

That dont sit well with me. But im sure im just misunderstanding you again.

[Vecna]

In fact, taking those steps to shade that wagon while claiming you'd be ok voting there, but wont "because afraid of a tie"....

Would be a solid scumclaim for me if BisEMC flips scum

[Vecna]

vecna i'm doc saving you <3

yay

[bozotheclown]

And whats your reasoning over calling Rdrivera, summit and yoyo a top town read exactly?

Again, I have covered this.

If everyone is asking, you probably didn’t cover it well enough.

I tried to give specific examples for my town reads, but it is also a general assessment of the entirety of their posts. I think it is easier to identify town than scum, so I try find the most likely town to narrow down the scum by POE. I could be wrong about any of them, but my guess is that the scum is more concnetrated in the other 10.

[bozotheclown]

Did not attack the Bismarck wagon?

Why? What is the difference between Bismarck and Sarah?

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Damo lurked like fuck last time he was scum, I don't really see how this is remotely comparable

Bismarck is a shite wagon full of people I don't have townreads on, so I'd much rather get Bunny still

I think HR is town this time.

That definately does seem like shading that wagon, and praising people with cookies for going against the wagon.

So yeah, then you state you townread Rdrivera for his posts about the lurkers, but scumread HR over that stuff.

That dont sit well with me. But im sure im just misunderstanding you again.

I meant rdrivera did not attack the Bismarck wagon N1. I had no problem with HR during D1, although I thought he was wrong about BunnyGo.

[bozotheclown]

In fact, taking those steps to shade that wagon while claiming you'd be ok voting there, but wont "because afraid of a tie"....

Would be a solid scumclaim for me if BisEMC flips scum

If the Bismarck slot flips scum, I may reconsider my read of rdrivera, but I would still suspect HR more.