MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Can you explain damo, summit, rdrivera, and Yoyo?

I would like an explanation on Summit and Yoyo too.

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Yoyo and also summit? What makes them seem towny to you?

I aleady commented on Yoyoyozo, and for summit, I liked his reason for staying on Bismarck instead of voting for BunnyGo, and I liked his response to HR's criticism of the Bismarck wagon.

[Hellenic Riot]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

As I said before; not only did Bismarck do nothing all day (and therefore wasn't scummy), but given the GM's had said they only had one replacement available earlier in the day, and two people (including Bismarck) were needing replacements there was a not insignificant chance that he might have been modkilled regardless. Utterly pointless wagon.

[summit_fever]

[snip]

Summit:

Tf lmao why is everyone voting bismarck with NO reasons

I find that Bismarck usually has reasons for his votes, so I'm a little suspicious. Not sure what to do if he doesn't show up in the next 3/4 hour. Don't really like any of the other wagons. I kind of agree with Foxcastle that worcej is looking odd.

This is great, starting counterwagons is hardly a bad thing. You voted for worcej with 34 minutes to go in the phase, posted exactly 0 times, and returned to voting Bismarck. Why not push? Why not try and convince anyone else that worcej is worth a vote late in the day?

Why did you vote for Bismarck initially? You did this with 57 minutes remaining in the day without explanation besides being “a little suspicious.”

Why did you vote for Bismarck when you bailed on worcej? When asked by others, this is how you answered:

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Mostly because I townread Bunny.

By looking at the other post of yours I quoted, you say you’re a little suspicious, but now you’re only on the wagon because you townread Bunny? What happened in the span of 40 or so minutes to change your mind?

mostly =/= only. I chose to do my best to save a townread, given not much else was happening.

[Foxcastle]

Why have EON reads lists dropped out of fashion? I feel like 20 games ago if you didn't do a reads list that was enough to draw some suspicion, and now if you never do a reads list ever hardly anyone will blink.

[TrPrado]

Did summit ignore me again?

Look.

summit: "It isn't hard to see why Bismarck was a vote."
TrPrado: "Disagree! Those aren't reasons for targetting blah blah"
summit: "..."

You aren't disagreeing with a statement of mine. I believe everybody on the Bismarck wagon had reasonable reasons for being there. You don't agree, and that's where the road ends.

I asked you a question that bo has now also asked. The road doesn’t end.

[summit_fever]

Did summit ignore me again?

Look.

summit: "It isn't hard to see why Bismarck was a vote."
TrPrado: "Disagree! Those aren't reasons for targetting blah blah"
summit: "..."

You aren't disagreeing with a statement of mine. I believe everybody on the Bismarck wagon had reasonable reasons for being there. You don't agree, and that's where the road ends.

I asked you a question that bo has now also asked. The road doesn’t end.

Do enlighten me.

[Vecna]

I'd love to hear a reason for why you townread TrPrado

Also, why not go further with the critique on this post HR? It feels like youre going easy on this terrible post.

In fact, im surprised not more people are not at all scrutinizing bozo, just because "he was nitty on a few small things".

I actually dont know if I even agree with him being nitpicky so far.

What makes it terrible, do you disagree with my town reads? It seems to me you are deflecting from the fact that you voted to kill an obviously town BunnyGo.

I voted Bunny before he became "obviously town" as you like to put it.

In fact, you were voting him at that time as well. So yeah, your statement here is crap.

Im not deflecting that my vote was there, im just playing the game. You want me to say how sorry I am for leaving my vote on Bunny in every post I make? Now thatd make for an interesting game.

[Durga]

Why have EON reads lists dropped out of fashion? I feel like 20 games ago if you didn't do a reads list that was enough to draw some suspicion, and now if you never do a reads list ever hardly anyone will blink.

PErsonally I don't think I've ever done one

[Hamilton Brian]

In case it wasn't clear, Bozo's words I wanted to specifically speak to were bolded. My replies were bolded and italicized.

It still isn't clear. Can you just post your response outside of the quote?

You wrote: While I don’t hold vacation against you (I’m jealous), why is it to town’s benefit that you do nothing?

I replied: I assert it is to town's benefit that if I can't contribute meaningfully because I can't devote the time to thread-reading, to make a decision to jump on a wagon is not judicious to me. Hence the No Kill vote.

You wrote: The only way that town is going to benefit from your presence in the thread is if you’re actually doing things. Laying low is what the mafia want us all to do because it gives them human shields to hide behind so they can do the same.

I replied: Yes, you're right. But now I am present being at home.


You wrote: What didn’t make sense to you on the Bunny wagon?

Reply: I didn't have the capacity to get all of the reading done.

You wrote: You were ready to consider it. Why were none of Bismarck, damo, Durga, or Yoyo amenable? All of them were options when you chose to vote for nobody.

Reply: I would not have liked to park my vote on an assumed-safe choice and then have EoD shifting happen that might find the person I parked my vote on executed. With no reads, and with the substitutions likely and not wanting to "policy-kill," the "No Kill" made the most sense to me.

[Vecna]

I'd love to hear a reason for why you townread TrPrado

Also, why not go further with the critique on this post HR? It feels like youre going easy on this terrible post.

In fact, im surprised not more people are not at all scrutinizing bozo, just because "he was nitty on a few small things".

I actually dont know if I even agree with him being nitpicky so far.

What makes it terrible, do you disagree with my town reads? It seems to me you are deflecting from the fact that you voted to kill an obviously town BunnyGo.

Also, I explained what was crap about the post in the post prior to it.

[TrPrado]

Look.

summit: "It isn't hard to see why Bismarck was a vote."
TrPrado: "Disagree! Those aren't reasons for targetting blah blah"
summit: "..."

You aren't disagreeing with a statement of mine. I believe everybody on the Bismarck wagon had reasonable reasons for being there. You don't agree, and that's where the road ends.

I asked you a question that bo has now also asked. The road doesn’t end.

Do enlighten me.

There were several wagons with people who had met the posting requirement, why not go for those when you say in your own words you weren’t “intent on taking out a lurker/non-complier”?

[TrPrado]

It was literally most of the post I wrote don’t know how you missed it

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Can you explain damo, summit, rdrivera, and Yoyo?

I think I have now explained everyone expect rdrivera. I think rdrivera's comments on killing the lurkers was town oriented.

[Vecna]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

And whats your reasoning over calling Rdrivera, summit and yoyo a top town read exactly?

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

As I said before; not only did Bismarck do nothing all day (and therefore wasn't scummy), but given the GM's had said they only had one replacement available earlier in the day, and two people (including Bismarck) were needing replacements there was a not insignificant chance that he might have been modkilled regardless. Utterly pointless wagon.

I already explained why what little Bismarck did was slightly suspicious, but even if he was a complete unknown, I would have picked him over the other wagons.

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Can you explain damo, summit, rdrivera, and Yoyo?

I would like an explanation on Summit and Yoyo too.

I believe I have covered this now.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

45 MINUTES ARE LEFT IN NIGHT ONE

[ghug]

While I don’t hold vacation against you (I’m jealous), why is it to town’s benefit that you do nothing? I assert it is to town's benefit that if I can't contribute meaningfully because I can't devote the time to thread-reading, to make a decision to jump on a wagon is not judicious to me. Hence the No Kill voteThe only way that town is going to benefit from your presence in the thread is if you’re actually doing things. Laying low is what the mafia want us all to do because it gives them human shields to hide behind so they can do the same.Yes, you're right. But now I am present being at home.


What didn’t make sense to you on the Bunny wagon? I didn't have the capacity to get all of the reading done.You were ready to consider it. Why were none of Bismarck, damo, Durga, or Yoyo amenable? All of them were options when you chose to vote for nobody.I would not have liked to park my vote on an assumed-safe choice and then have EoD shifting happen that might find the person I parked my vote on executed. With no reads, and with the substitutions likely and not wanting to "policy-kill," the "No Kill" made the most sense to me.

This is really confusing. Can you find another way to answer questions that makes it clear what'd the question and what's the answer?

[bozotheclown]

Also, why not go further with the critique on this post HR? It feels like youre going easy on this terrible post.

In fact, im surprised not more people are not at all scrutinizing bozo, just because "he was nitty on a few small things".

I actually dont know if I even agree with him being nitpicky so far.

What makes it terrible, do you disagree with my town reads? It seems to me you are deflecting from the fact that you voted to kill an obviously town BunnyGo.

I voted Bunny before he became "obviously town" as you like to put it.

In fact, you were voting him at that time as well. So yeah, your statement here is crap.

Im not deflecting that my vote was there, im just playing the game. You want me to say how sorry I am for leaving my vote on Bunny in every post I make? Now thatd make for an interesting game.

I never voted for BunnyGo.