MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

Is someone currently tracking the hypo-claims? (If so, there's no need to repost them, I'm only interested in the number that have been made.) Are enough people doing that, or are we dropping the idea?

I do not think it is necessary to track them, but at least 5 have participated, and I believe others have indicated they would do it at EON.

[Hamilton Brian]

OK, finally back home. I feel like a sub, myself, coming into the game. I'll try to make some sense of the back pages leading up to Bunny's death before spending too much time on N1.

[TrPrado]

What exactly are you accusing us of doing, trying to save BunnyGo, one of the highest posters, to kill a player who had not met the posting requirement and was at risk of getting mod killed? Why would that be scum motivated whether Bismarck was town or scum?

BunnyGo is very good at avoiding votes when he is scum, the way he was playing D1 it was apparent he did not care about getting votes. Bismarck was an unknown, but he was a better choice than BunnyGo, and and far as most of know, Bismarck may have been scum.

There were several wagons at EOD, why is someone with two posts more viable than the several alternatives?

I think damo, Yoyoyozo, and probably even Durga are town.

So in a 5 wagon EOD you think the only one with a chance to have been scum was the person who posted twice? What makes these people town in your eyes? Why couldn’t you have tried building a wagon on anybody else throughout the day?

[Hamilton Brian]

While I don’t hold vacation against you (I’m jealous), why is it to town’s benefit that you do nothing? I assert it is to town's benefit that if I can't contribute meaningfully because I can't devote the time to thread-reading, to make a decision to jump on a wagon is not judicious to me. Hence the No Kill voteThe only way that town is going to benefit from your presence in the thread is if you’re actually doing things. Laying low is what the mafia want us all to do because it gives them human shields to hide behind so they can do the same.Yes, you're right. But now I am present being at home.


What didn’t make sense to you on the Bunny wagon? I didn't have the capacity to get all of the reading done.You were ready to consider it. Why were none of Bismarck, damo, Durga, or Yoyo amenable? All of them were options when you chose to vote for nobody.I would not have liked to park my vote on an assumed-safe choice and then have EoD shifting happen that might find the person I parked my vote on executed. With no reads, and with the substitutions likely and not wanting to "policy-kill," the "No Kill" made the most sense to me.

[Vecna]

I definitely agree that there were scum on the bunny wagon but I know it wasn’t me. I think we need to go back through and see who was pushing his wagon and also who was pushing against the bismarck wagon.

Pushing against the Bismarck wagon? Youre stating this as if that alignment is already confirmed.

Another potential slip of the tongue to remember in case that slot turns out to be scum.

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

[rdrivera2005]

What do you mean prevaricated? They left ambiguity?

Interesting that this word have a complete distinct meaning on Portuguese.

What's the Portuguese meaning?

It's a legal term. It´s used when someone didn´t fullfill his duties either because of self interest or to harm someone else. If it´s a public agent it´s a crime.

[Hamilton Brian]

In case it wasn't clear, Bozo's words I wanted to specifically speak to were bolded. My replies were bolded and italicized.

[Vecna]

I completely agree, I hate my day one voting. But it was because I was stupid not because I was scum.

Perhaps, but that is an incredibly easy defense to just say you are stupid instead of providing more justification for why you moved.

I told you why. I thought I had something on bunny because I was rushing to read the first pages in the final moments of the day. Clearly hindsight is 2020 but in the moment I thought I had something and went with my gut. I had put my vote on Bismarck hoping it would cause him to come back and participate and then when it came to the end of the day and he clearly wasn’t going to and I saw that I was potentially going to be the deciding vote I panicked a little and started trying reread to see where the bunny wagon was coming from to see if I had made a mistake. I did think that bunny acted strange at the start of the game as I was reading through and when I saw that he voted Bismarck for no evident reason on page 3 I thought I had something.

its still believable enough I guess

[TrPrado]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Yoyo and also summit? What makes them seem towny to you?

[Vecna]

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Rdrivera, Rdrivera

You have not posted a whole lot of spicy posts at all yet this game. Theres been plenty to spice over. This is usually a bad bad sign for you. Combined with your earlier overreaction to me saying im a reverse Rdrivera.....

What you don´t agree about this post? I don´t see any reason to lynch Bismarck that we can expect to improve over Sarah, that was around and I fear would just cast a vote and two more posts and will live another day.

And I can say the same about you Vecna. I usually can easily townread you when you are town, but this game I still don´t get it.

Lets just say that whiteknighting a lurker-lynch by saying/agreeing theres another lurker is not exactly the standard of play ive gotten used to from you when youre town.

And if you dont think im town, then do something about it. Bring the heat. Show some passion.

[Vecna]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

spelling errors are funny

[bo_sox48]

In case it wasn't clear, Bozo's words I wanted to specifically speak to were bolded. My replies were bolded and italicized.

It still isn't clear. Can you just post your response outside of the quote?

[rdrivera2005]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

spelling errors are funny

I forgot to change my phone spell checker/corrector to English. But still half the errors are mine.

[bozotheclown]

There were several wagons at EOD, why is someone with two posts more viable than the several alternatives?

I think damo, Yoyoyozo, and probably even Durga are town.

So in a 5 wagon EOD you think the only one with a chance to have been scum was the person who posted twice? What makes these people town in your eyes? Why couldn’t you have tried building a wagon on anybody else throughout the day?

I was voting for my preferred kill, Vecna, until 2.5 hours before EOD. BunnyGo was playing as if he did not care if he received votes, damo was pushing the lie detector statement all day, Yoyoyozo was arguing the benefits of the Weak Doctor hypo claims, all things that I felt they would not be doing as scum. Bismarck was an unknown, but his attempt at meeting the minimum participation was at least a little suspicious (he probably did not know the post minimum was 4 instead of 2). When Bismarck voted for damo without explanation, Vecna and Durga had 2 votes and damo had 1 vote, so damo was the one player that he would draw the least attention for voting, not a top wagon but not a new wagon.

[summit_fever]

Did summit ignore me again?

Look.

summit: "It isn't hard to see why Bismarck was a vote."
TrPrado: "Disagree! Those aren't reasons for targetting blah blah"
summit: "..."

You aren't disagreeing with a statement of mine. I believe everybody on the Bismarck wagon had reasonable reasons for being there. You don't agree, and that's where the road ends.

[Vecna]

Note to self: Bo is the guy that does those huge walls and monologues as scum though. Not quite like Ghug and Chaqa at all (does chaqa do that as well?).

Regardless, these seem like a lot of questions/comments all gummed up in one post, but im not getting that burning desire type of feeling that he's actually caring for the answers.

I write the same things as scum and town. Thanks for noticing.

I do care about the answers. Please answer my question to you. Avoiding questions by dropping a nonchalant dismissal of them in the middle of a string of a dozen posts is a good strategy for getting someone to gloss over it, though. I might have to use that when you ask me something.

I dont remember you asking me anything? And I paid quite some attention to what ive read, so....point me towards the question I guess?

[bo_sox48]

I do not have any strong scum reads yet, but I do not like Vecna and HR concentrating on the Bismarck wagon after helping kill BunnyGo. It makes me wonder if they already know Bismarck was town.

My top town reads are damo, Foxcastle, rdrivera, seth, summit, TrPrado, and Yoyoyozo, so I would look for the 5 scum in the remaining 10.

Can you explain damo, summit, rdrivera, and Yoyo?

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera, Rdrivera

You have not posted a whole lot of spicy posts at all yet this game. Theres been plenty to spice over. This is usually a bad bad sign for you. Combined with your earlier overreaction to me saying im a reverse Rdrivera.....

What you don´t agree about this post? I don´t see any reason to lynch Bismarck that we can expect to improve over Sarah, that was around and I fear would just cast a vote and two more posts and will live another day.

And I can say the same about you Vecna. I usually can easily townread you when you are town, but this game I still don´t get it.

Lets just say that whiteknighting a lurker-lynch by saying/agreeing theres another lurker is not exactly the standard of play ive gotten used to from you when youre town.

And if you dont think im town, then do something about it. Bring the heat. Show some passion.

I wasn't white knighting Bismarck. I would have voted him over Bunny at EOD if I didn't fear to tie the vote.
I was pointing the inconsistency of not wanting a policy kill of Sarah but voting on Bismarck that was on the same level of lurking.

[bo_sox48]

My guess is that it is more common for scum to claim players talking about "mechanics" are pretending to look useful than it is for scum to pretend to look useful by talking about mechanics.

Strongly disagree. In addition to what ghug said in a rather vile way, a lot of the time you won’t find scum involved in those conversations at all. They’ll let town yell at each other about mechanics and quietly mull over which of those folks are PRs.

Lets push Yoyo together. Why do HR/Seth/HB all seem ok though? How are they better than Bunny for example?

I see a lot of talk about Yoyo and only two votes on him. What’s the case and why is he grabbing people’s attention without actually grabbing their attention?

What level of participation would you say
a) is optimal
b) the minimum required
c) will actually happen?

Is this an attempt at crowdfunding your PR reads or just a ridiculously horrible question, damo?

anyways bunny, you might actually want to look up proper material to compare if youre town, because its very possible youre currently trying to appeal to a naughty person to convince them.

I too coach my teammates on day 1.

Do pros of policy-killing outweighs cons? If Sarah is VT, sets us up against the wall right away. Better to look within active players and hope for a good catch? I think so.

Please no, we’re not policying anyone for anything. That shit is so old. "Better to look within active players" is also not a valid strategy, though.

I would potentially vote for Worcej or Ghug over Durga at this point, though. I think Worcej is playing too nicely. Bozo is obviously town to me—he's focusing way too much on small inconsistencies, so he will probably end up tunneling on a townie.

Lol this is humorously accurate

How is worcej playing too nicely? Why is ghug on your list? Why does worcej warrant a vague explanation while ghug does not?

Not really keen on the Bunny wagon, but since I need to make a vote I will vote for one of the non-compliers for now:

##VOTE Bismark

Will we see you before EOD? I have money to kill on over/unders.

Note to self: Bo is the guy that does those huge walls and monologues as scum though. Not quite like Ghug and Chaqa at all (does chaqa do that as well?).

Regardless, these seem like a lot of questions/comments all gummed up in one post, but im not getting that burning desire type of feeling that he's actually caring for the answers.

The one directed at you in the post you quoted, claimed I didn't actually care about, and proceeded to obviously not read on the basis that it was too long, Vecna.