MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[seth24c]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

I am on that side of the fence. I don’t like his D1 voting.

I completely agree, I hate my day one voting. But it was because I was stupid not because I was scum.

[worcej]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

I am on that side of the fence. I don’t like his D1 voting.

What don't you like about his voting?

Go review his posts in the last hour.

The reasoning for his movement seems too loose to me.

[worcej]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

I am on that side of the fence. I don’t like his D1 voting.

I completely agree, I hate my day one voting. But it was because I was stupid not because I was scum.

Perhaps, but that is an incredibly easy defense to just say you are stupid instead of providing more justification for why you moved.

[Foxcastle]

I definitely agree that there were scum on the bunny wagon but I know it wasn’t me. I think we need to go back through and see who was pushing his wagon and also who was pushing against the bismarck wagon.

So Bismarck was scum who was saved? (But not by you?)

[seth24c]

I am on that side of the fence. I don’t like his D1 voting.

I completely agree, I hate my day one voting. But it was because I was stupid not because I was scum.

Perhaps, but that is an incredibly easy defense to just say you are stupid instead of providing more justification for why you moved.

I told you why. I thought I had something on bunny because I was rushing to read the first pages in the final moments of the day. Clearly hindsight is 2020 but in the moment I thought I had something and went with my gut. I had put my vote on Bismarck hoping it would cause him to come back and participate and then when it came to the end of the day and he clearly wasn’t going to and I saw that I was potentially going to be the deciding vote I panicked a little and started trying reread to see where the bunny wagon was coming from to see if I had made a mistake. I did think that bunny acted strange at the start of the game as I was reading through and when I saw that he voted Bismarck for no evident reason on page 3 I thought I had something.

[rdrivera2005]

Why? What is the difference between Bismarck and Sarah?

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Rdrivera, Rdrivera

You have not posted a whole lot of spicy posts at all yet this game. Theres been plenty to spice over. This is usually a bad bad sign for you. Combined with your earlier overreaction to me saying im a reverse Rdrivera.....

What you don´t agree about this post? I don´t see any reason to lynch Bismarck that we can expect to improve over Sarah, that was around and I fear would just cast a vote and two more posts and will live another day.

And I can say the same about you Vecna. I usually can easily townread you when you are town, but this game I still don´t get it.

[seth24c]

I definitely agree that there were scum on the bunny wagon but I know it wasn’t me. I think we need to go back through and see who was pushing his wagon and also who was pushing against the bismarck wagon.

So Bismarck was scum who was saved? (But not by you?)

I’m don’t know if Bismarck was scum, he might have been but how could we know since he never said much. My vote for him was partially hoping he would come back To defend himself if he was on the chopping block and partially to see what movement might come from it. I am saying that I believe there was scum on the bunny wagon though. I may be off base but looking back, the lack of movement makes me suspect that scum was glad to see either Bismarck or bunny flipped.

[rdrivera2005]

How did yoyo literally do nothing but shade me d1 and then just disappear. I hate it.

True but you didn´t vote him. And voted Damo, which is really hard to understand after you just played a scum game with him where he was completelly different from this one.

[rdrivera2005]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

[Durga]

How did yoyo literally do nothing but shade me d1 and then just disappear. I hate it.

True but you didn´t vote him. And voted Damo, which is really hard to understand after you just played a scum game with him where he was completelly different from this one.

He was so not completely different. How is he completely different? He's still incapable of providing reasons for why he thinks things. Maybe I'm wrong because he is more active for sure but this is a bigger game.

Also, what does me not voting yoyo have to do with anything?

[ghug]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

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I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

[Durga]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

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I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

He could have just not posted. I totally disagree with you.

[ghug]

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

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I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

He could have just not posted. I totally disagree with you.

You disagree that the posts tonight feel forced, or with all of it?

[Durga]

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I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

He could have just not posted. I totally disagree with you.

You disagree that the posts tonight feel forced, or with all of it?

That Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town.

[ghug]

He could have just not posted. I totally disagree with you.

You disagree that the posts tonight feel forced, or with all of it?

That Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town.

You're saying he would have just not posted rather than panic moving? I feel like both are possibilities for a scum player.

Do you think he's likely to be scum if Bismarck is scum, or do you just townread him?

[bo_sox48]

Currently on page 38 I believe, I'll read up shortly. First this is something I noticed.

Damo, HB, Yoyo, and Summit all played somewhat similarly on day 1. With varying degrees of activity, each of them avoided responsibility for the outcome of the day. I already explained during the day that damo was doing so intentionally and voted for him as a result, so I’ll avoid going down that road again here.

HB:

Don't forget you need to vote and make at least 4 posts

Thanks for the heads up.

It is to town’s benefit I keep my head down until I’m at a good point to catch up the reading.

Ill read Bunny pieces immediately when I can to determine why they’re lead wagon.

While I don’t hold vacation against you (I’m jealous), why is it to town’s benefit that you do nothing? The only way that town is going to benefit from your presence in the thread is if you’re actually doing things. Laying low is what the mafia want us all to do because it gives them human shields to hide behind so they can do the same.

Obviously I’m voting cold. No sense of any of the wagons and not comfortable voting just anyone.

##vote no

Will be back home tomorrow for more active participation.

What didn’t make sense to you on the Bunny wagon? You were ready to consider it. Why were none of Bismarck, damo, Durga, or Yoyo amenable? All of them were options when you chose to vote for nobody.

Yoyo:

I know you well, Yoyo, and being flaky is part of your DNA, but what happened to catching up and doing something at the end of the day? I understand if something came up and you were busy, but you clearly had time to read at least some of the thread because you found Prado voting for you.

Not liking the way Yoyo has interacted with some people, pretty sus, ##VOTE YOYO I will come back tomorrow to see if I still feel this way.

But arguing about which way of saying "I am town" is most viable when and how he did is kind of silly and feels like beating down dissent for the sake of looking helpful and pro-town.

This literally never happened lol. Please quote me where I agree which way of saying “I am town” is most viable

Why was this post worth the effort to reply immediately while everything else could be left for later? Did control + f or the bot tell you that you needed to get to this one?

You clearly scumread (and voted for) Durga but didn’t actually bother to continue pushing that wagon at the end of the day when it actually counted, why?

Summit:

Tf lmao why is everyone voting bismarck with NO reasons

I find that Bismarck usually has reasons for his votes, so I'm a little suspicious. Not sure what to do if he doesn't show up in the next 3/4 hour. Don't really like any of the other wagons. I kind of agree with Foxcastle that worcej is looking odd.

This is great, starting counterwagons is hardly a bad thing. You voted for worcej with 34 minutes to go in the phase, posted exactly 0 times, and returned to voting Bismarck. Why not push? Why not try and convince anyone else that worcej is worth a vote late in the day?

Why did you vote for Bismarck initially? You did this with 57 minutes remaining in the day without explanation besides being “a little suspicious.”

Why did you vote for Bismarck when you bailed on worcej? When asked by others, this is how you answered:

Why? What is the difference between Bismarck and Sarah?

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Mostly because I townread Bunny.

By looking at the other post of yours I quoted, you say you’re a little suspicious, but now you’re only on the wagon because you townread Bunny? What happened in the span of 40 or so minutes to change your mind?

[bozotheclown]

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

What exactly are you accusing us of doing, trying to save BunnyGo, one of the highest posters, to kill a player who had not met the posting requirement and was at risk of getting mod killed? Why would that be scum motivated whether Bismarck was town or scum?

BunnyGo is very good at avoiding votes when he is scum, the way he was playing D1 it was apparent he did not care about getting votes. Bismarck was an unknown, but he was a better choice than BunnyGo, and and far as most of know, Bismarck may have been scum.

There were several wagons at EOD, why is someone with two posts more viable than the several alternatives?

I think damo, Yoyoyozo, and probably even Durga are town.

[bo_sox48]

Note to self: Bo is the guy that does those huge walls and monologues as scum though. Not quite like Ghug and Chaqa at all (does chaqa do that as well?).

Regardless, these seem like a lot of questions/comments all gummed up in one post, but im not getting that burning desire type of feeling that he's actually caring for the answers.

I write the same things as scum and town. Thanks for noticing.

I do care about the answers. Please answer my question to you. Avoiding questions by dropping a nonchalant dismissal of them in the middle of a string of a dozen posts is a good strategy for getting someone to gloss over it, though. I might have to use that when you ask me something.

[seth24c]

Who here thinks Seth looks scummy?

His vote pattern is scummy only if Bismarck/encmc is also scum. If Bisemc is town there is no reason for a newbies cum to attrack so much attention changinge his vote at that time.

Also, his explanations at night doesn´t look coached, so I would say I put him more on the towny side of my reads.

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I Seth is more likely to be scum if Bismarck is town, honestly. I don't see new scum dropping a bus vote that early, but I can see them panicking because they think their reasoning is weak and don't want to be blamed for a miskill.

His posts tonight feel kinda forced to me.

I understand that you all feel the need to figure out why I made the mistake and I’m just now realizing how big the mistake was, since this is misdirecting the conversation because I am absolutely not scum. You honestly think that if I was scum I would have switched from one town vote to another town vote (if Bismarck is town?). I have told you all my reasoning for both votes.

[bozotheclown]

My top town reads are damo, Yoyoyozo, BunnyGo, Foxcastle, and TrPrado. That leaves Bismarck among the current vote leaders, and he has said very little to go on. I am not sure about Durga, I find her suspicious, but when she is scum she typically does a good job at not looking suspicious.

I am going to vote for Bismarck for now because his unexplained vote for damo was somewhat suspicious.

##VOTE Bismarck

This post is really strange to me.

People are scumreading Durga because she is putting in a lot of effort to look good. She's participating, making valid points, decent observations (especially about me being the best town on the website, y'know?). She's trying pretty hard so far.

Yet Bozo is brushing that away because she looks surface suspicious? But she wouldnt look surface suspicious as scum?

The reasoning here is bend over backwards, and its fishy.

Also, since when does Bozo not dare to crusade for his own scumread? Why does he let himself be constrained by the current wagons with so much time to go?

Im finding this a solid ass reason to scumread bozo.

It was 2.5 hours before EOD and I was not going to be online again until EOD. Also, yes, I think Durga is good at drawing attention to herself when she is scum.