MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[summit_fever]

Why's that?

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

You believe every scum player was on Bismarck close to EOD? You believe Bunny's wagon was void of scum till Seth jumped on?

I do not like saving Bismarck to kill BunnyGo.

Could you also answer my question regarding Yoyo? You don't have to make it bold.

While there are non-compliers they will have my vote before yoyo

Why? What is the difference between Bismarck and Sarah?

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Mostly because I townread Bunny.

Not really keen on the Bunny wagon, but since I need to make a vote I will vote for one of the non-compliers for now:

##VOTE Bismark

Because being railroaded for not knowing what happened on page 1 is a new experience for me and I'm not a fan of it, especially when it completely detracts from other people doing scummy things.

I win when Mafia and Third Party are defeated.

Can we carry on or do I need to call my lawyer?

Ah. He did.

OK, ##VOTE Bis because I don't think you or damo are scum

It isn't too hard to see why Bismarck was a vote.

[e.m.c^42]

Alright, I'll do the hypoclaims and whatnot once mornin' comes around.

I'm less familiar with the prado-yoyo-hellenic crowd than I'd like, so can't tell at the moment how much of the banter from them is, well, anything lol

[e.m.c^42]

Don't think I can particularly promise activity since, well, I did go for subs list and not main sign up for reason lmao, but shall try.

[ghug]

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

You believe every scum player was on Bismarck close to EOD? You believe Bunny's wagon was void of scum till Seth jumped on?

I do not like saving Bismarck to kill BunnyGo.

Could you also answer my question regarding Yoyo? You don't have to make it bold.

While there are non-compliers they will have my vote before yoyo

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Mostly because I townread Bunny.

Not really keen on the Bunny wagon, but since I need to make a vote I will vote for one of the non-compliers for now:

##VOTE Bismark

Ah. He did.

OK, ##VOTE Bis because I don't think you or damo are scum

It isn't too hard to see why Bismarck was a vote.

Ok, go back a step and tell me why everybody wanted to save Bunny.

[summit_fever]

[snip]

Ok, go back a step and tell me why everybody wanted to save Bunny.

Bunny is the better town player to have around. Tries hard, doesn't give up, and participates. We're going to day 1 him in favour of Bismarck? Baffling.

[ghug]

[snip]

Ok, go back a step and tell me why everybody wanted to save Bunny.

Bunny is the better town player to have around. Tries hard, doesn't give up, and participates. We're going to day 1 him in favour of Bismarck? Baffling.

Did you townread Bunny?

[summit_fever]

[snip]

Ok, go back a step and tell me why everybody wanted to save Bunny.

Bunny is the better town player to have around. Tries hard, doesn't give up, and participates. We're going to day 1 him in favour of Bismarck? Baffling.

Did you townread Bunny?

Did you even read my wall o' quotes?

[ghug]

Bunny is the better town player to have around. Tries hard, doesn't give up, and participates. We're going to day 1 him in favour of Bismarck? Baffling.

Did you townread Bunny?

Did you even read my wall o' quotes?

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

[summit_fever]

Did you townread Bunny?

Did you even read my wall o' quotes?

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

Mostly this post.

Partly I’m tired. I have a deadline at work with a project I hate.

Partly I’m tired of the general meta game here of us enrolling more players in games than actually want to play. Like, how about we just all post 10 random shouts then flip some coins remove players and actually start to play?

It’s kinda dull after a while. I’m a bit frustrated with my ability as Town to cut through this BS. It’s just a bit easier as scum. Hell, even last game my specific goal was to look like a perennial Daykill possibility but never actually get it. That was EASY. So somewhat unrewarding.

Reading people when they don’t show up is impossible. I started playing forum
Mafia because I believed it was too easy for scum and I was looking to be proven wrong and learn something. I’m still waiting for that.

Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

[ghug]

Did you even read my wall o' quotes?

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

Mostly this post.

Partly I’m tired. I have a deadline at work with a project I hate.

Partly I’m tired of the general meta game here of us enrolling more players in games than actually want to play. Like, how about we just all post 10 random shouts then flip some coins remove players and actually start to play?

It’s kinda dull after a while. I’m a bit frustrated with my ability as Town to cut through this BS. It’s just a bit easier as scum. Hell, even last game my specific goal was to look like a perennial Daykill possibility but never actually get it. That was EASY. So somewhat unrewarding.

Reading people when they don’t show up is impossible. I started playing forum
Mafia because I believed it was too easy for scum and I was looking to be proven wrong and learn something. I’m still waiting for that.

Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

Can anyone tell me if summit normally reads people like I do?

[damo666]

Did you even read my wall o' quotes?

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

Mostly this post.

Partly I’m tired. I have a deadline at work with a project I hate.

Partly I’m tired of the general meta game here of us enrolling more players in games than actually want to play. Like, how about we just all post 10 random shouts then flip some coins remove players and actually start to play?

It’s kinda dull after a while. I’m a bit frustrated with my ability as Town to cut through this BS. It’s just a bit easier as scum. Hell, even last game my specific goal was to look like a perennial Daykill possibility but never actually get it. That was EASY. So somewhat unrewarding.

Reading people when they don’t show up is impossible. I started playing forum
Mafia because I believed it was too easy for scum and I was looking to be proven wrong and learn something. I’m still waiting for that.

Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

Seth looks bad but I believe his account. Of the others I fairly strongly townread HR so that leaves Vecna, worcej and ghug. And that would be my order of scum likelihood (s->t).

[bozotheclown]

Why's that?

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

What exactly are you accusing us of doing, trying to save BunnyGo, one of the highest posters, to kill a player who had not met the posting requirement and was at risk of getting mod killed? Why would that be scum motivated whether Bismarck was town or scum?

BunnyGo is very good at avoiding votes when he is scum, the way he was playing D1 it was apparent he did not care about getting votes. Bismarck was an unknown, but he was a better choice than BunnyGo, and and far as most of know, Bismarck may have been scum.

[summit_fever]

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

Mostly this post.

Partly I’m tired. I have a deadline at work with a project I hate.

Partly I’m tired of the general meta game here of us enrolling more players in games than actually want to play. Like, how about we just all post 10 random shouts then flip some coins remove players and actually start to play?

It’s kinda dull after a while. I’m a bit frustrated with my ability as Town to cut through this BS. It’s just a bit easier as scum. Hell, even last game my specific goal was to look like a perennial Daykill possibility but never actually get it. That was EASY. So somewhat unrewarding.

Reading people when they don’t show up is impossible. I started playing forum
Mafia because I believed it was too easy for scum and I was looking to be proven wrong and learn something. I’m still waiting for that.

Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

Seth looks bad but I believe his account. Of the others I fairly strongly townread HR so that leaves Vecna, worcej and ghug. And that would be my order of scum likelihood (s->t).

Can you articulate your town read on HR? I know you've been fairly consistent with that read.

[bozotheclown]

I skimmed. It was long.

Why'd you townread Bunny?

Mostly this post.

Partly I’m tired. I have a deadline at work with a project I hate.

Partly I’m tired of the general meta game here of us enrolling more players in games than actually want to play. Like, how about we just all post 10 random shouts then flip some coins remove players and actually start to play?

It’s kinda dull after a while. I’m a bit frustrated with my ability as Town to cut through this BS. It’s just a bit easier as scum. Hell, even last game my specific goal was to look like a perennial Daykill possibility but never actually get it. That was EASY. So somewhat unrewarding.

Reading people when they don’t show up is impossible. I started playing forum
Mafia because I believed it was too easy for scum and I was looking to be proven wrong and learn something. I’m still waiting for that.

Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

Seth looks bad but I believe his account. Of the others I fairly strongly townread HR so that leaves Vecna, worcej and ghug. And that would be my order of scum likelihood (s->t).

I don't think seth even looks bad, I do not see much of a chance he was bussing Bismarck.

[dargorygel]

What exactly was the Bismarck wagon? It was basically a constant thing the entire day but on the rare occasion it took the lead it was quickly replaced by someone else.

Of particular interest, seth dropped his first vote on the Bismarck wagon, giving it a lead, then leaves it, then gets on Bunny with a tie vote and a chance to basically decide the lynch...

Please avoid using the "L" word.

[damo666]

Mostly this post.



Anyways it's done. I think there is at least 1 scum on the day 1 Bunny wagon. Maybe 2. I think ghug and seth are less likely to flip scum compared to the others.

Seth looks bad but I believe his account. Of the others I fairly strongly townread HR so that leaves Vecna, worcej and ghug. And that would be my order of scum likelihood (s->t).

Can you articulate your town read on HR? I know you've been fairly consistent with that read.

His early compliance.

His consistent anti-hypo claim stance (not really AI but 'feels' town).

His defence of me. [!]

I also believe that he believed his theory that The Bis wagon (me apart ofc) was a Bunny saver (although we now know that's wrong) and despite me town leaning all the Bis voters.

[TrPrado]

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

What exactly are you accusing us of doing, trying to save BunnyGo, one of the highest posters, to kill a player who had not met the posting requirement and was at risk of getting mod killed? Why would that be scum motivated whether Bismarck was town or scum?

BunnyGo is very good at avoiding votes when he is scum, the way he was playing D1 it was apparent he did not care about getting votes. Bismarck was an unknown, but he was a better choice than BunnyGo, and and far as most of know, Bismarck may have been scum.

There were several wagons at EOD, why is someone with two posts more viable than the several alternatives?

[TrPrado]

Seth looks bad but I believe his account. Of the others I fairly strongly townread HR so that leaves Vecna, worcej and ghug. And that would be my order of scum likelihood (s->t).

Can you articulate your town read on HR? I know you've been fairly consistent with that read.

His early compliance.

His consistent anti-hypo claim stance (not really AI but 'feels' town).

His defence of me. [!]

I also believe that he believed his theory that The Bis wagon (me apart ofc) was a Bunny saver (although we now know that's wrong) and despite me town leaning all the Bis voters.

So early compliance is alignment indicative? How do you think scum would (and did) react in that situation?

[TrPrado]

Because I agree with your thoughts and you weren't being cautious like last game as scum.

Bunny was scummy at start, but his EOD was very townie, I almost voted Bismarck but was worried to tie the vote.

It appears quite a lot of us were broadsided by the EoD time being an hour earlier than normal, but I still do not understand why people actually wanted Bismarck when he'd done essentially nothing. The fact that the GM had said they only had one sub available and there was thus a non-zero chance that Bismarck would be modkilled regardless made this even less logical to me.

Seth's late flip from Bismarck to Bunny is interesting, and he is along with the other people on the Bismarck wagon (Damo, Bozo, Summit, Flash) - aside from damo - it's people who are all pretty suspicious. They could quite easily be part of a police lineup where all of them did it.

You believe every scum player was on Bismarck close to EOD? You believe Bunny's wagon was void of scum till Seth jumped on?

I do not like saving Bismarck to kill BunnyGo.

Could you also answer my question regarding Yoyo? You don't have to make it bold.

While there are non-compliers they will have my vote before yoyo

That's a good point. Why people were against a policy lynch of Sarah, but happily vote Bismarck?

At least we will need only one sub.

Mostly because I townread Bunny.

Not really keen on the Bunny wagon, but since I need to make a vote I will vote for one of the non-compliers for now:

##VOTE Bismark

Ah. He did.

OK, ##VOTE Bis because I don't think you or damo are scum

It isn't too hard to see why Bismarck was a vote.

Disagree! Those generally are not reasons for specifically targeting Bismarck. There were several wagons with people who had met the posting requirement, why not go for those when you say in your own words you weren’t “intent on taking out a lurker/non-complier”?

[damo666]

Can you articulate your town read on HR? I know you've been fairly consistent with that read.

His early compliance.

His consistent anti-hypo claim stance (not really AI but 'feels' town).

His defence of me. [!]

I also believe that he believed his theory that The Bis wagon (me apart ofc) was a Bunny saver (although we now know that's wrong) and despite me town leaning all the Bis voters.

So early compliance is alignment indicative? How do you think scum would (and did) react in that situation?

It's not greatly AI but scum may have been reticent, waiting to see if the concept flew. Hence small townpoints.