MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[damo666]

I win when Mafia and Third Party are defeated.

Thank you.

##vote Bismarck

[Durga]

I didn't realize there was a lie detector, seems like a weird mechanic.

[dargorygel]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

Vecna (2) - bozotheclown, TrPrado
Damo666 (2) - Vecna, BismarckAlive
BismarckAlive (2) – BunnyGo, damo666
Damo666 (1) – Vecna
Durga (1)) - foxcastle
BunnyGo (1) - ghug

Currently NOBODY is set to have anything happen to them.
bo, durga, flash, HB, HR, rdrivera, sarah, seth, summit, worcej and yoyo have not voted.
Approximately 23 ½ hours left today.

Bosox, sarah, and worcej have not yet posted.

[Durga]

Damo has already posted more than he had the entirety of the last game

[damo666]

I didn't realize there was a lie detector, seems like a weird mechanic.

a 1 in 3 chance of a town lie detector

a 1 in 3 chance of a mafia lie detector (who the statement wouldn't help)

and obv in 1 in 9 chance of both

Why don't you read the set up? It helps.

[worcej]

Incoming wall of shit for you all to read through.

My role is in the list of Town Roles.

Please all post the above.

Look at this guy, trying to make the town lie detector get a fake inno on the scum lie detector.

I am town.

This was also my first thoughts reading this. People have argued that there is enough difference but in reality the lie detector is about detecting if the person said the truth, not their intentions.

Holy shit I am drunk

From my observations, your entrances into games usually seem to portray a sense of 'don't expect much from me right now' and this seems to continue that trend...

Bunny (and really everyone who tried to claim anything more complicated than "I am town") reeks of trying too hard. Let's all just say this shit and move on.

I'd vote Bunny but that would lead to more talking about mechanics so ##VOTE Durga and I'll wait for him to do something else and then confbias that into a scumread.

Hard agree with this. It seems to be making something intentionally complicated when it doesn't have to be.

I believe the grammar was well covered. I do not think there is much with the setup to discuss yet, there are 81 possible combinations of town PRs. I think there would be some value in a mass claim so that we know what we are dealing with, but it is not obvious that the benefit would outweigh the cost of our PRs getting killed early, so I am confident there would be little or no support for a mass claim.

Here is bozo's typical mass-claim push. Didn't take long, on par for his typical 'throw all town advantage out and create clears to force the scum to kill in a small group.'

Mafia are at a considerable advantage. We need to kill them.

This is the most accurate statement I have read in any mafia game so far.

both pushing it and complying is NAI.

It was going to get suggested regardless by someone. A lie detector only has two shots and would get plenty of material to choose from.

The only people not complying have been drunk durga and people that havent posted.

Therefore, this has been one of the worst gamestarts ive encountered in quite some time for town, since scum had a way too easy time evading those awkward initial engagements.

Also agree with this one - though I think the Sunday start was more of a driver than the mechanics.

[snip...]

Everything in this post just made me smile. My coworker had to ask what is so funny when they saw me, but I couldn't tell them why.

##Vote Damo666

Methinks that there boy is scum-at-heart.

Lazy entrance right here.

No I dont really think so. As long as I dont lurk im *insert other word for killing by vote of peers* as long as im actually town, and my weird charm somehow always makes everyone just townread me.

Watch. People will think its adorable as fuck.

You didn't need to wait long.

When are we finally going to roll scum together Ghug?

It feels like its been an eternity since I last played a game with you regardless

Nothing says you haven't yet. This struck me as trying to distance unnecessarily.

I get the feeling Vecna and ghug are mafia and are taunting us.

A post not made about mechanics. This is progress people!

##VOTE DURGA

You’ve shown up twice now, but have you really shown up at all, even???

The sad truth is I'd put in more effort as scum, I haven't even read the set up yet lmao

Disagree personally - you'd put the effort in behind the scenes but not in the main thread.

Jfc how about no. Can we just play the game normally for once

You do realize where you are playing right? We don't do normal here.

Possible player/role combinations from different points of view (not distinguishing between vanilla roles)

From the outside 10,861,169,679,360
From VT 5,716,405,094,400
From 3p 679,572,133,600
Town PR 190,546,836,480
Mafia 166,561,920

Mafia are at a considerable advantage. We need to kill them.

What does this mean and why should I care?

A very valid question. Damo just likes to flex that he can do math.

I don't understand any votes outside durga and Bismarck

An obstinate player to your method of setting the LD up is most likely town imho

And now I am pretty much caught up.

[worcej]

I am town.

[worcej]

I also believe I win when bunny's team is eliminated.

##vote bunny

[worcej]

Of the other leading 'suspects' - AKA: someone with more than one vote, my thoughts are the following:

Bismark - As I said, lazy entrance. I think the two votes for him are meh but I see enough to say they are not terrible.

Vecna - strikes me as town until the ghug comment, but that really just raised my eyebrow and not really gave me a scum bonner. Bozo's vote is meh because he should expect Vecna to complain about mechanics being a driver for all conversations, it's normal for him to do so. Prado's vote is also a joke, so not much to actually comment on.

[worcej]

And in 5 posts I have done more content the 2/3 of the players in the game.

*sips tea*

[damo666]

And in 5 posts I have done more content the 2/3 of the players in the game.

*sips tea*

Credit where it is due. Good entrance worcej. I hope we are teammates.

[worcej]

And in 5 posts I have done more content the 2/3 of the players in the game.

*sips tea*

Credit where it is due. Good entrance worcej. I hope we are teammates.

I believe we are. I dislike how you've been one of the drivers of the mechanics focus, but you're incredibly towny in the way you have been doing it.

So let me continue my content generation: Damo, who do you think is being scummy right now?

[ghug]

Wtf ghug you're so different from last game why are you actively trying to look useful and why did you back off me so fast

Is damo providing some thought now

How am I trying to look useful?

[damo666]

And in 5 posts I have done more content the 2/3 of the players in the game.

*sips tea*

Credit where it is due. Good entrance worcej. I hope we are teammates.

I believe we are. I dislike how you've been one of the drivers of the mechanics focus, but you're incredibly towny in the way you have been doing it.

So let me continue my content generation: Damo, who do you think is being scummy right now?

Nobody being particularly scummy but I have the following observations:

Bismarck needs to comply.

Bunny needs to explain his absence after the big entrance, also to a lesser extent summit.

Bo needs to turn up

Bozo, Durga, Flash, Fox, ghug, rdr, TrPrado and Vecna are all playing as per meta. Of these I townread Fox the most and Vecna/TrPrado the least but nothing major.

Seth, HB & HR seem Ok

Sarah absent thus far - no surprise there.

Yoyo I have the most doubts about. I sense a cageyness about the way he is posting.

[ghug]

Credit where it is due. Good entrance worcej. I hope we are teammates.

I believe we are. I dislike how you've been one of the drivers of the mechanics focus, but you're incredibly towny in the way you have been doing it.

So let me continue my content generation: Damo, who do you think is being scummy right now?

Nobody being particularly scummy but I have the following observations:

Bismarck needs to comply.

Bunny needs to explain his absence after the big entrance, also to a lesser extent summit.

Bo needs to turn up

Bozo, Durga, Flash, Fox, ghug, rdr, TrPrado and Vecna are all playing as per meta. Of these I townread Fox the most and Vecna/TrPrado the least but nothing major.

Seth, HB & HR seem Ok

Sarah absent thus far - no surprise there.

Yoyo I have the most doubts about. I sense a cageyness about the way he is posting.

Why is Sarah's absence no surprise? Is this their first game?

[Yoyoyozo]

This is an interesting idea though. I think it might be worth it to think about the bodyguard, weak doctor, and desperado. If we all claim who we would target if we were these roles, it could provide useful information. I think the strongest candidate is the weak doctor, since instead of providing a town clear, it could potentially out a mafia player if the weak doctor dies during the night. (Unless the weak doctor is the only player killed, which means the mafia simply killed the doctor)

I think hypo Weak Doctor claims is a good idea. For the Bodyguard and Weak Doctor, it would be ideal for the hypo claims to be made at EON, but since that would limit participation, I think everyone claiming sometime during the night is still beneficial.

This just seems so tedious to try to accomplish. Especially since there are so many potential roles in this set up this could be a tool for scum to easily blend in without much risk of exposing themselves in more pointed conversations. If the weak doctor really is in play that would obviously be extremely helpful to get the confirmed scum from a save resulting in doctor death but maybe we should just leave it up to their discretion when they should actually claim?

The problem with this logic is that if the weak doctor does claim and tries to save mafia, they die, and we learn nothing from it besides the fact that they flipped weak doctor.

If everyone stated who they would save every night, if by chance the weak doctor hits mafia, We’ll have a good chance of who it is they hit (unless there’s a role active that’s able to mess it up. The added benefit is that this role doesn’t even have to participate, so the mafia can try all they want to weed out PRs, because the real PR could just not participate that night, or better yet simply lie about targetting someone and then just not doing it. In order for this to work, we would have to come up with a wording for everyone to use so that if there is a mafia aligned lie detector, they can’t get any information from these statements.

Now that I think about it more, this seems pretty convoluted, but it could be worth it. I’ll think about how it could work

[Yoyoyozo]

Someone who isn't bozo and wants the hypoclaim, how do you handle the fact that 60% of people are just not going to do it?

bozo please stop talking it's better for everyone that way.

The fact that half of the people aren’t going to do it probably includes some of the PRs. If in fact none of the PRs do it, it would be a massive troll on mafia because they’re putting together pieces of a puzzle that don’t exist. The benefit to town is that we don’t really need to know who the PR are until it counts. It scrambles the game for mafia, while having the opportunity to provide town with info. There’s a piece of metagame that I figured out that I can’t say now but will be very useful later on if things go well.

[Yoyoyozo]

I didn't realize there was a lie detector, seems like a weird mechanic.

You were scum last game and I decided to abandon my hunch. Not doing that this game. The lie detector role is listed twice, and I have a hard time believing you’re being genuine ##Vote durga

[TrPrado]

That's two people calling out Durga for something I also did but got like no flak for, love this love this.

[Durga]

That's two people calling out Durga for something I also did but got like no flak for, love this love this.

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