Mini-Mafia M1014

[damo666]

Yes they will.

What is there not to understand?

All things hidden will be seen.

Yes they will.

When the game ends.

Obviously.

Didn't see gold had a different translation to the one I got (see emboldened).

I fail to see how that is scummy.

[damo666]

Don't try to control my vote

##vote damo

Vote stays here until you convince me you have actually thought about this game in any critical way

Do what you like. There is very little concrete to go on. I've given my opinion, I can do no more, at the end of the day it's guesswork.

If you are town your vote on me is a waste. I have no clever why of proving that or justifying it so don't ask.

[Hamilton Brian]

i) Basically the way he talks about people. I read with two hats, one assuming he is goon, one assuming he is miller. From an outside pov you can also read it that I am his scumpartner but of course I have the advantage of knowing I'm not.

I'd like some clarification in this. Are you suggesting that Bozo talks about people depending on his role? Is that based on a meta you have? If so, I'd love to have a couple of examples.

I think there's got to be a concrete example to justify the opinion.

I believe every single last one of us would repeat that mantra of innocence. Doesn't make it true.

[Durga]

What is there not to understand?

All things hidden will be seen.

Yes they will.

When the game ends.

Obviously.

Didn't see gold had a different translation to the one I got (see emboldened).

I fail to see how that is scummy.

What language is this

[Durga]

Don't try to control my vote

##vote damo

Vote stays here until you convince me you have actually thought about this game in any critical way

Do what you like. There is very little concrete to go on. I've given my opinion, I can do no more, at the end of the day it's guesswork.

If you are town your vote on me is a waste. I have no clever why of proving that or justifying it so don't ask.

It kinda pisses me off that you won't even bother trying to explain your reads, this emc-type shit behaviour does not make you fun to play with, and it's making it really hard to read you.

[damo666]

Didn't see gold had a different translation to the one I got (see emboldened).

I fail to see how that is scummy.

What language is this

https://tatoeba.org/ces/sentences/show/1750742

No idea

[damo666]

Don't try to control my vote

##vote damo

Vote stays here until you convince me you have actually thought about this game in any critical way

Do what you like. There is very little concrete to go on. I've given my opinion, I can do no more, at the end of the day it's guesswork.

If you are town your vote on me is a waste. I have no clever why of proving that or justifying it so don't ask.

It kinda pisses me off that you won't even bother trying to explain your reads, this emc-type shit behaviour does not make you fun to play with, and it's making it really hard to read you.

Generally speaking I don't want to be easily read. There are many on here who think i'm easy to read. I hope I'm not. Be pretty much a waste of time otherwise.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Unvote

I think Gold is putting in a lot of work. Couple reasons. 1) Really town and trying to create a confident argument for a wagon. 2) Really scum and trying super hard to win the game. If Bozo was a miller, there's 2 scum remaining with 3 town. Miskill today, game over.

I feel like Damo needs to offer support to the arguments.

I've got to take the vote off for right now. It felt right on Gold, but it doesn't feel right currently.

[goldfinger0303]

Currently I feel most comfortable with ##vote damo

From the pages I've done a deep read of,Durga is looking townier. Ghug a little less so.

But the past is only so useful compared to what's happening now. Damo has shown really little urgency today, and not any willingness to provide anything that could be useful to town after their death. Moreover, damo was basically the only one not scumreading bozo for their early posts. Those who have some more time can bridge the gap between p.10 damo and current damo

[goldfinger0303]

i) Basically the way he talks about people. I read with two hats, one assuming he is goon, one assuming he is miller. From an outside pov you can also read it that I am his scumpartner but of course I have the advantage of knowing I'm not.

I'd like some clarification in this. Are you suggesting that Bozo talks about people depending on his role? Is that based on a meta you have? If so, I'd love to have a couple of examples.

I think there's got to be a concrete example to justify the opinion.

I believe every single last one of us would repeat that mantra of innocence. Doesn't make it true.

You know HB, for all the crap I give you, you are improving

[Hamilton Brian]

Generally speaking I don't want to be easily read. There are many on here who think i'm easy to read. I hope I'm not. Be pretty much a waste of time otherwise.

How would other town identify you as such then?

I need to use my brain more before posting.

[Hamilton Brian]

You know HB, for all the crap I give you, you are improving

Stop trying to pocket me! I'm wise to it.

[Durga]

K, I'm gonna go back and do a quick re-read because while I like all the effort goldie is putting in today, it could be that he's desperate as scum and frankly I'm not sure between him and damo. I don't think it's ghug but maybe I'm just being blind but I REALLY don't think it's HB.

[Durga]

You know HB, for all the crap I give you, you are improving

Stop trying to pocket me! I'm wise to it.

I honestly cringed when goldie said this

[Durga]

No, I'm making perfect sense. I've probably been scum more often than you have, yoyo. I know scum moves by now, and your earlier interactions were it.

You lurk more when you're town. You're posting a lot, which means you're excited. Town PR Yoyo wouldn't stick his head out that much. Hence, you're scum.

Goldie you said it didn't click for you that yoyo was PR until my post, here it seems like you're already PR searching and have evaluated whether yoyo is PR or not - why did you change your mind

[Durga]

It's less a desire to direct the cop scan and more a desire to neutralize a town threat.

I think what really is bothering me reading back, is this thing where you
a) want people to ignore HB
b) are directing the cop scan
c) are directing the cop scan ONTO HB who you want people to ignore
d) are advocating that this cop scan can neutralize a town threat

Now, barring the fact that you/HB scum team would be ridiculous and you're probably not trying to get godfather scanned, town!gold should know that out of 6 town players (excluded the cop), 3 would show up as scum on a scan. And advocating HB's death based on that is just straight up not town play. Not to mention it being a complete waste of a clear if we could get a clear.

[Hamilton Brian]

Some standouts:

Gold thus far is the only one really on LyLo. Why is this important to discuss? Why is it not? Or, why is no one else discussing it?

Ghug not putting a vote on Gold because they want to make the day interesting. Is that Ghug being good town by getting out of the way?

Ghug goes heavy into Gold for "Making a big deal out of trying to appear townie is a thing scum do." on page 33.

I'm still troubled by Gold's explanation for the EoD. I know, either ask a question or go back and re-read. I'm not sure I'd rephrase the same question others have already asked, so the conclusion should be based on the re-read.

Regarding Ghug-Durga; on page 34, Ghug declares Durga's reaction to Bozo's death as "inauthentic." Rationale not to scumread Durga greater is due to the vote on Day 1.

And then Ghug tails off; only to be heard from intermittently. With 4 hours to go I feel like it'd be important to get in here and make a case. Less town.

The wagon on Durga is small. Things that stand out through the ISO: Reaction to the loss of both PRs? Something I read a bit ago (mafiascum site) indicated how the reaction to NKs could be a tell. Maybe a point for scum-like behaviour?

Didn't want to #End the day too early, which is less scummy than voting to end immediately.

My conclusion still aims at Gold, but I am certainly less sure. Durga, slightly town. Ghug, slightly more scum. I need to re-read Damo again.

[Durga]

Can you explain to me how he's behaving like he always does as scum? You mean he's contradictory as scum and he's contradictory now?

He's hiding behind process discussions and more inclined to scumread than townread. The biggest thing he did last game to appear townie was acting hungry for information and to figure things out, which he's doing here too, and I think he would probably do as town, but I've wised up to that actually being indicative now.

It's too early to townread very hard. And frankly not many besides rdrivera and Moscow have shown me much to consider towny.

@Durga - What info exactly would we get from a bozo kill? Bozo can be quite an asset if town, and kinda slips into lurking if not. Damo was definitely more involved D1 of last game, imo. But I don't know if that's AI or not

Soft defense of bozo?

[Durga]

I mean, yes, but by that measure most of the rest of us would be equally good targets. Why bozo?

Because bozo is actually scummy??

The only thing you've called him out for being scummy on is his reaction test.

Does scum!goldie defend scum!bozo so blatantly? Although I do think the last statement is misleading, I mentioned a few reasons why bozo was scummy at this point

[Durga]

There is a distinct lack of damo in day one