Mini-Mafia M1014

[damo666]

I have reread Bozo and come to the conclusion that his most likely partner is gold and in the unlikely event he is Miller then gold/ghug are probably the scumpair.

So, gold remains the safest day kill.

It seems possible ghug might not switch to gold so durga I suggest it is important you vote gold.

If we don't autowin when gold flips the survivors can kill ghug tomorrow.

That's my take anyway.

[Hamilton Brian]

Good morning.

Gold, whatever the result of the vote today, that was some hard work you did.

[Durga]

Goldie it sounds like you're trying to pocket ghug, did I miss the explanation of why you town read him so much? Also, I'm not sure I caught who you think bozo's partner might be. The summaries are a good way to look useful but next time just read the thread and give us thoughts.

Damo, what made you come to that conclusion? You know it's useful to state reasons right... Also I'll vote when I want to vote. Can you just tell me what about rereading bozo made you think that?

For those asking about what HB is like as scum, I don't recall we played like one day of that game. I will say town HB is just as internally contradictory as the HB in this game though. Just look at him posting Fox's PM that proved he was lying, if he was scum he would simply say he didn't have access to it anymore.

[goldfinger0303]

I have reread Bozo and come to the conclusion that his most likely partner is gold and in the unlikely event he is Miller then gold/ghug are probably the scumpair.

So, gold remains the safest day kill.

It seems possible ghug might not switch to gold so durga I suggest it is important you vote gold.

If we don't autowin when gold flips the survivors can kill ghug tomorrow.

That's my take anyway.

Great.

Can you tell us what led you to that decision?

Can you answer my question on what his encrypted message and your response to it meant?

[goldfinger0303]

Also there is a non-zero chance were are in lylo right now, and people are acting way too chill with this

[goldfinger0303]

@Durga - I'm townreading ghug because I see him doing town behavior. In the first six pages I've already seen you do a tenuous and unnecessary defense of HB as well as derail conversation preemptively by getting the subject changed. Ghug hasn't really done that much of it. I mean, maybe ghug has pocketed me, but I see a lot of similarities between him this game and last, so he's my strongest townread

Also, I was ideally going to do iso's after completing the re-read. The summaries of each page are where I list my thoughts.

[goldfinger0303]

Also, if you looked at my posts and just thought "He's re-hashing the thread" you're wrong. There is a great deal of opinion work done there in classifying interactions. There are questions left for players. I have my thoughts there.

If you're just looking over that not actually addressing any of my accusations or questions, that's scummy as hell.

We're not out of the woods yet. We have not won this yet. Stop acting like we have.

[damo666]

I have reread Bozo and come to the conclusion that his most likely partner is gold and in the unlikely event he is Miller then gold/ghug are probably the scumpair.

So, gold remains the safest day kill.

It seems possible ghug might not switch to gold so durga I suggest it is important you vote gold.

If we don't autowin when gold flips the survivors can kill ghug tomorrow.

That's my take anyway.

Great.

Can you tell us what led you to that decision?

Can you answer my question on what his encrypted message and your response to it meant?

i) Basically the way he talks about people. I read with two hats, one assuming he is goon, one assuming he is miller. From an outside pov you can also read it that I am his scumpartner but of course I have the advantage of knowing I'm not.

ii) I googled it. If you do the same you will understand my response.

[damo666]

Goldie it sounds like you're trying to pocket ghug, did I miss the explanation of why you town read him so much? Also, I'm not sure I caught who you think bozo's partner might be. The summaries are a good way to look useful but next time just read the thread and give us thoughts.

Damo, what made you come to that conclusion? You know it's useful to state reasons right... Also I'll vote when I want to vote. Can you just tell me what about rereading bozo made you think that?

For those asking about what HB is like as scum, I don't recall we played like one day of that game. I will say town HB is just as internally contradictory as the HB in this game though. Just look at him posting Fox's PM that proved he was lying, if he was scum he would simply say he didn't have access to it anymore.

Please see my reply to gold.

Obviously you can vote when and how you like, I wasn't suggesting when to vote simply giving a nudge as to how.

[goldfinger0303]

Formatting a bit better

P.7 Summary

Yoyo soft defends ghug to Moscow, but mostly goes and defends himself and how his gameplay is.
Durga questions gold how he finds Yoyo scummy
gold says Yoyo is off-meta, but softs off Yoyo saying he's self-aware and pushing more won't gain anything. Gold joke votes bozo.
Durga responds to Moscow's question related to her defense of HB. Says HB's logic was bad, but the explanation struck her as genuine - therefore it wasn't scummy.
Durga says she doesn't understand bozo's first posts. Thinks yoyo's engagement is a scum tell.
bozo responds to Durga about his superficial engagement. States we should always question inaccurate statements. Then questions HB more.
Various people dissolve conversation talking about color.

P.7 thoughts - Durga's actual response to HB's post read

Yknow, it's a terrible way to look at ghug's comment, but I'm leaning town with this thinking - HB can easily play the "I'm random" card since that's his meta but he's actually doing a pretty good job at explaining his logic

So I think that does classify as saying his logic is bad but thought process genuine. Town points to Durga for consistency.

[goldfinger0303]

I have reread Bozo and come to the conclusion that his most likely partner is gold and in the unlikely event he is Miller then gold/ghug are probably the scumpair.

So, gold remains the safest day kill.

It seems possible ghug might not switch to gold so durga I suggest it is important you vote gold.

If we don't autowin when gold flips the survivors can kill ghug tomorrow.

That's my take anyway.

Great.

Can you tell us what led you to that decision?

Can you answer my question on what his encrypted message and your response to it meant?

i) Basically the way he talks about people. I read with two hats, one assuming he is goon, one assuming he is miller. From an outside pov you can also read it that I am his scumpartner but of course I have the advantage of knowing I'm not.

ii) I googled it. If you do the same you will understand my response.

+scum points for damo.

I googled it last page. You can read it right there. I clearly still don't understand. There's zero reason for you to not just put things in the open right now.

Guys this is weak as hell reasoning from damo. Don't let them get away with this.

[Durga]

What townie behaviour have you seen ghug do?

Also I didn't see anything directed towards me to answer. I told you why I think HB is town, if you read through this game and came to the conclusion that the scum team is me and HB you are severely out of touch and are grasping at straws.

As for the changing the topic thing, what page(s) are those? Of course I'm going to move on from the discussion if I find it pointless. But moreover, it's getting annoying to hear things like "ohhh she's not genuine" and "she's preemptively changing the discussion" like??? what can i even say to that other than no, get better

[Durga]

Don't try to control my vote

##vote damo

Vote stays here until you convince me you have actually thought about this game in any critical way

[goldfinger0303]

What townie behaviour have you seen ghug do?

Also I didn't see anything directed towards me to answer. I told you why I think HB is town, if you read through this game and came to the conclusion that the scum team is me and HB you are severely out of touch and are grasping at straws.

As for the changing the topic thing, what page(s) are those? Of course I'm going to move on from the discussion if I find it pointless. But moreover, it's getting annoying to hear things like "ohhh she's not genuine" and "she's preemptively changing the discussion" like??? what can i even say to that other than no, get better

I don't think I've addressed one specifically towards you. There were a couple general ones. But in general my comment was towards damo and HB - whom I *did* address a specific question to. I mention when topics are changed in ways that feel artificial. You're not the only one that did it, but I'm just noting them.

As for ghug, he asks appropriate questions at the appropriate times. There's not a case laid out or anything of the sort - but that's not his type of thing to do. But I'm aware that my love of ghug is just so great that it may be clouding my judgement here.

[goldfinger0303]

Page 8

Moscow asks damo how bozo plays. Agrees with Durga that bozo's engagement doesn't feel genuine. Votes bozo. Asks rdrivera how gold plays.
Durga responds to Moscow saying HB being HB means we cannot analyze his logic holding up under scrutiny.
Ghug jokes. Gold jokes. Moscow jokes.
Moscow says ghug is joking too much. Gold defends ghug by saying he plays bad. Gold asks bozo to post more. Notes yoyo stopped posting.
ghug agrees that his jokes last game were more calculated.

Summary - nothing much to gleam from this page. Durga's shading of HB pleases me, but I think its NAI. Gold buddying ghug.

Page 9

ghug townreads Yoyo, Moscow, HB. Scumreads gold.
Durga asks ghug about bozo
ghug townreads rdrivera with a caveat. Says no feelings for bozo
Bozo says he's doing a test. Questions Moscow's reasoning for voting him.
Moscow says bozo's posting style could be a way for scum to elaborate fake crumb.
Durga moves conversation to talking about Dark mode after ghug complains of color.
Bozo elaborates on why he's questioning HB for saying he didn't know yoyo. Says his colored posts are a crumb
Gold and yoyo spar. Gold asks ghug why he's voting him.
Moscow says bozo's logic is a huge stretch.
HB says he forgets there's no daychat for scum in this setup. He townreads gold and Durga. Leans town for ghug and Durga. Says he scum reads Yoyo and will explain later

Summary - Interesting here. HB says he town reads me, yet his vote is still on me at this point in time. I think in retrospect Moscow nails bozo to a cross here, and I'm feeling much more confident that bozo is in fact scum than I was earlier this morning (I was as low as 70% sure. Now more like 90% sure). Ghug gives no reason for his reads, and while they make sense I don't see his history of engaging with the people to form those reads.

[damo666]

ro lo se mipri ba se zgana

Yes they will.

What is there not to understand?

All things hidden will be seen.

Yes they will.

When the game ends.

Obviously.

[goldfinger0303]

Page 10

ghug responds to Bozo's argument on HB going out of his way to introduce himself to Yoyo and says this is indicative of a HB/Moscow team, not a HB Yoyo team.
Ghug gives a joke in response to gold's request for a scumread explanation. Says HB could be fake townslipping (in response to last page's post where he didn't realize there wasn't a scum daychat)
Yoyo says that HB could be townslipping, but it sounds fake.
Ghug jokes with Yoyo
Durga confronts HB, asks why he thinks scum won't know each other.
Bozo responds to ghug that HB has played with Durga before. Agrees that HB's actions potentially indicative of a HB/Moscow team
Bozo asks Durga why he can question HB's actions and be scumread for it, but when others do they're not.
rdrivera gets scum vibes from Yoyo. Town from ghug and Moscow
Bozo suggests Durga and Moscow could be scum.
Gold shades HB

Summary - I think this is an important page to re-read, as there is a lot of interaction with Bozo. My take on this is that he's seen ghug agree with him on HB, and is trying to use HB as an easy target that has support, and as an opportunity to shade both Moscow and Durga with it as well. Im feeling stronger that bozo really is scum. Still note that the only positive interaction bozo has right now is really limited to Damo and ghug. Ghug is starting to fall on my towny radar the more I re-read

[goldfinger0303]

Page 10

ghug responds to Bozo's argument on HB going out of his way to introduce himself to Yoyo and says this is indicative of a HB/Moscow team, not a HB Yoyo team.
Ghug gives a joke in response to gold's request for a scumread explanation. Says HB could be fake townslipping (in response to last page's post where he didn't realize there wasn't a scum daychat)
Yoyo says that HB could be townslipping, but it sounds fake.
Ghug jokes with Yoyo
Durga confronts HB, asks why he thinks scum won't know each other.
Bozo responds to ghug that HB has played with Durga before. Agrees that HB's actions potentially indicative of a HB/Moscow team
Bozo asks Durga why he can question HB's actions and be scumread for it, but when others do they're not.
rdrivera gets scum vibes from Yoyo. Town from ghug and Moscow
Bozo suggests Durga and Moscow could be scum.
Gold shades HB

Summary - I think this is an important page to re-read, as there is a lot of interaction with Bozo. My take on this is that he's seen ghug agree with him on HB, and is trying to use HB as an easy target that has support, and as an opportunity to shade both Moscow and Durga with it as well. Im feeling stronger that bozo really is scum. Still note that the only positive interaction bozo has right now is really limited to Damo and ghug. Ghug is starting to fall on my towny radar the more I re-read

[goldfinger0303]

ro lo se mipri ba se zgana

Yes they will.

What is there not to understand?

All things hidden will be seen.

Yes they will.

When the game ends.

Obviously.

You still did not read my post. If you did, you'd not need to ask that question. Scum points.

[damo666]

ro lo se mipri ba se zgana

Yes they will.

What is there not to understand?

All things hidden will be seen.

Yes they will.

When the game ends.

Obviously.

Didn't see gold had a different translation to the one I got (see emboldened).