Mini-Mafia M1014

[ghug]

OK gold, how'd you fuck up the night?

[damo666]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

[goldfinger0303]

Rip Moscow.

This is what I meant by me fucking up. And more than me, the rest of town did too. I should've laid hard into Moscow at night and tried to get others to really sow some doubt into his conclusions and lay out an argument for my quasi-clear to paint a target on my back for the NK. A dead gold would be a lot more useful to town than a dead MF. When we have last wills handy like this to tell a true story, we shouldn't fear misdirecting with our night talk.

I'm a little slow on the uptake for optimal town play.

[goldfinger0303]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

He might be obvtown, but in what world would he be the NK? Has he made some insightful posts? Laid out a case that convinced you? Or have his posts shown that he can be led around by the nose at will?

[damo666]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

He might be obvtown, but in what world would he be the NK? Has he made some insightful posts? Laid out a case that convinced you? Or have his posts shown that he can be led around by the nose at will?

On the basis that he's a very unlikely daykill?

[goldfinger0303]

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

He might be obvtown, but in what world would he be the NK? Has he made some insightful posts? Laid out a case that convinced you? Or have his posts shown that he can be led around by the nose at will?

On the basis that he's a very unlikely daykill?

Who cares about just that when doing NKs?
I have something like an 80% win rate as scum. I would *never* kill HB right now if he's town.

[goldfinger0303]

Struggling right now to see if somehow my logic is wrong or if multiple people just can't see what I think is obvious about my D1 play. I was pretty damn sure the fact that I was sitting on the sidelines waiting for yoyo to check in before casting my vote would make me pretty frickin obvious town. I only moved to him when he voted but did not claim 3 min from deadline, despite being the obv counter-wagon.

The fact that I'm being ignored on this can be two-fold.
1) This is somehow not towny behavior. In which case I am confused.
2) Someone initially voiced doubt about it and scum jumped to amplify that doubt until nobody saw me as town and create a mis-kill opportunity.

I'm going to do a full re-read today and present two scenarios - one with bozo being scum and one with him being VT. Because damn, I'm starting to think it's possible that bozo really is that bad.

[goldfinger0303]

@ghug - rdrivera immediately noticed a difference between this game and last with myself. Do you?

[goldfinger0303]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

You notice I was different this game than last game. And last game I was scum.

That doesn't give you any pause?

[Durga]

I think it's just a matter of finding his partner.

Thought you had your big exam already, given you pulled out of the Matrix game. Anyway, good luck!

I think the attention paid to you talking about what or what not scum should PR claim is much ado about nothing.

So...Gold, Ghug, or Damos...who of those three would be your primary vote? Seems you’re on Damos for their EMC -like play. I’m on Gold.

Yeah it's in two parts and I thought I could handle a mini game while studying. Which, I can, just not 24/7

I mean. It's good to ask questions. I'm kinda torn right now, I feel like I'm totally overlooking ghug. I will definitely need to reread. Unfortunately emc-like play doesn't automatically mean scum.

[Durga]

Struggling right now to see if somehow my logic is wrong or if multiple people just can't see what I think is obvious about my D1 play. I was pretty damn sure the fact that I was sitting on the sidelines waiting for yoyo to check in before casting my vote would make me pretty frickin obvious town. I only moved to him when he voted but did not claim 3 min from deadline, despite being the obv counter-wagon.

The fact that I'm being ignored on this can be two-fold.
1) This is somehow not towny behavior. In which case I am confused.
2) Someone initially voiced doubt about it and scum jumped to amplify that doubt until nobody saw me as town and create a mis-kill opportunity.

I'm going to do a full re-read today and present two scenarios - one with bozo being scum and one with him being VT. Because damn, I'm starting to think it's possible that bozo really is that bad.

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

[Durga]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

So you're positive gold is scum? You don't think it could be anyone else?

[Durga]

Rip Moscow.

This is what I meant by me fucking up. And more than me, the rest of town did too. I should've laid hard into Moscow at night and tried to get others to really sow some doubt into his conclusions and lay out an argument for my quasi-clear to paint a target on my back for the NK. A dead gold would be a lot more useful to town than a dead MF. When we have last wills handy like this to tell a true story, we shouldn't fear misdirecting with our night talk.

I'm a little slow on the uptake for optimal town play.

I don't think I've ever seen this kind of thing work

[damo666]

One of the things that struck me about Gold is the difference in tone toward me this game. Last game he was pocketing me through helpful posts, etc. This time, he's been a bit more acerbic toward me, as if to directly counter last game.

Secondly, though not following through on it, the recommendation to kill me for my shitty town play gives him cover, reduces VT by one, and gives him another kill at night.

I think you've palyed well in that (to me at least) you are obvtown. I thought you might be the NK instead of MF but perhaps gold thinks he has more chance of shifting you than he would have MF.

So you're positive gold is scum? You don't think it could be anyone else?

I can't be absolutely positive obviously. I know it's not me and would be astonished if it's HB. I'm about 60% gold and 20% you and ghug. (Figures very much a rounded guess to make the sums easier). Certainly at least 50/25/25 but not as certain as 80/10/10. I hope that makes sense.

Moscow's case is quite convincing and gold seems to be flapping. Hence my level of confidence.

The fact that you and ghug aren't immediately jumping on gold inclines me to think you may both be town and strengthens my confidence in scumgold.

[ghug]

##VOTE Durga
yolo

[goldfinger0303]

Struggling right now to see if somehow my logic is wrong or if multiple people just can't see what I think is obvious about my D1 play. I was pretty damn sure the fact that I was sitting on the sidelines waiting for yoyo to check in before casting my vote would make me pretty frickin obvious town. I only moved to him when he voted but did not claim 3 min from deadline, despite being the obv counter-wagon.

The fact that I'm being ignored on this can be two-fold.
1) This is somehow not towny behavior. In which case I am confused.
2) Someone initially voiced doubt about it and scum jumped to amplify that doubt until nobody saw me as town and create a mis-kill opportunity.

I'm going to do a full re-read today and present two scenarios - one with bozo being scum and one with him being VT. Because damn, I'm starting to think it's possible that bozo really is that bad.

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

[goldfinger0303]

Rip Moscow.

This is what I meant by me fucking up. And more than me, the rest of town did too. I should've laid hard into Moscow at night and tried to get others to really sow some doubt into his conclusions and lay out an argument for my quasi-clear to paint a target on my back for the NK. A dead gold would be a lot more useful to town than a dead MF. When we have last wills handy like this to tell a true story, we shouldn't fear misdirecting with our night talk.

I'm a little slow on the uptake for optimal town play.

I don't think I've ever seen this kind of thing work

Normally there isn't a last will to come out. But I think I definitely should've played better to try and draw the NK away from Moscow when it was so clear to me Moscow was town and the obvious target. Idk, I'm new to this. Just my line of thinking.

[ghug]

Struggling right now to see if somehow my logic is wrong or if multiple people just can't see what I think is obvious about my D1 play. I was pretty damn sure the fact that I was sitting on the sidelines waiting for yoyo to check in before casting my vote would make me pretty frickin obvious town. I only moved to him when he voted but did not claim 3 min from deadline, despite being the obv counter-wagon.

The fact that I'm being ignored on this can be two-fold.
1) This is somehow not towny behavior. In which case I am confused.
2) Someone initially voiced doubt about it and scum jumped to amplify that doubt until nobody saw me as town and create a mis-kill opportunity.

I'm going to do a full re-read today and present two scenarios - one with bozo being scum and one with him being VT. Because damn, I'm starting to think it's possible that bozo really is that bad.

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

Making a big deal out of trying to appear townie is a thing scum do. I also remember feeling at the time like you were just waiting to cast a vote at the last minute where it would suit you most (at the time I thought this might be because you were avoiding town v town, but wanting town points for not killing someone you thought was PR and not wanting to kill your partner is also a valid explanation).

[Durga]

Struggling right now to see if somehow my logic is wrong or if multiple people just can't see what I think is obvious about my D1 play. I was pretty damn sure the fact that I was sitting on the sidelines waiting for yoyo to check in before casting my vote would make me pretty frickin obvious town. I only moved to him when he voted but did not claim 3 min from deadline, despite being the obv counter-wagon.

The fact that I'm being ignored on this can be two-fold.
1) This is somehow not towny behavior. In which case I am confused.
2) Someone initially voiced doubt about it and scum jumped to amplify that doubt until nobody saw me as town and create a mis-kill opportunity.

I'm going to do a full re-read today and present two scenarios - one with bozo being scum and one with him being VT. Because damn, I'm starting to think it's possible that bozo really is that bad.

I just don't really see how waiting to vote makes someone obv!town. What would you have done if yoyo had counterclaimed sooner? Vote for bozo?

Switched the vote to damo, who I had been prepping as a possible counter in case my hunch was right.

It shows that I had found a PR and chose not to vote for them instead of just silently slipping on and pushing. I had spoken out enough about yoyo during the course of the day that it would've aroused *zero* suspicion had I just voted him and stayed on. Instead I made a big deal about waiting and seeing, waiting and seeing.

You would have switched your vote to damo if it was cop claim v cop claim?

It kinda bothers me that you're relying so heavily on this waiting and seeing - if anything it could indicate that you didn't want to be responsible for flipping town.

[ghug]

Durga, why haven't you made me a focus at all yet?