Mini-Mafia M1014

[bozotheclown]

My reads so far:
Ghug town because I love him
Durga scum. I don’t like the way she started off the game but have no problems with her play thereafter but I’ll give it a bit more time until I’m convinced otherwise.
Gold town. I was impressed with his play last game and I take it he’s rarely town and that’s why he seems to lack focus and like, overall qualities of a good player
Moscow town. I like the way he’s played so far. Nothing seems super shady about him and he’s actually contributed the most to the conversation that I’ve seen.
Hamilton idk. I tend to overestimate people’s cunningness and I find it really hard to believe he’s just fumbling around in this game after previously playing at least two full games that I’m hearing.
Has rdrivera damos or bozo done anything yet? I know I’ve seen posts from them but like, they haven’t done anything substantial. How do you guys feel about these 3. I support offing a lurker the first day to keep things fresh and active especially considering the lack of information we have right now.

I do not like the fishing for scum reads on me, rdrivera, and damo. It is easy to read our posts and determine if you think we have "done anything substantial". If you did, you would see that I asked you a question that you never answered.

##VOTE Yoyoyozo

I don't think Yoyo reads were that bad, in fact it's the first towny thing I sense from him. Why scum Yoyo would post a readlist on middle of D1 exactly when the pressure on him have vanished?

He could be trying to pocket his town reads while driving a wagon on a town to protect himself and his teammate. If this is the case, his teammate would likely be Durga or Hamilton.

[Hamilton Brian]

He could be trying to pocket his town reads while driving a wagon on a town to protect himself and his teammate. If this is the case, his teammate would likely be Durga or Hamilton.

If I'm reading this correctly, if Yoyo is scum, then so is one of Durga or myself?
How do you derive that when Yoyo declares Durga as scum and a question mark/scum lean on me?

Unless declaring two is a useful ploy (drive both wagons and stay off their partner's) but it seems that could go badly so early.

[Yoyoyozo]

@yoyo...rdr makes an interesting point regarding your timing. Why did you feel it was appropriate to post your reads when you did?

I don’t mind the pressure on me. In fact I think when I die (and I’ll likely be offed at some point) it’ll provide some useful information because of my confrontational playstyle. In previous games I I lasted pretty long because mafia would often try to keep me around since I'm usually one if the most scum read players in the game. Because of that you’ll likely see me get pushed when mafia is on the chopping block.

[goldfinger0303]

##vote damo harder

I didn't want your opinion on HB. The time for that had passed.

I also dont like just slipping in who you'd prefer to daykill without any explanation.

[goldfinger0303]

He could be trying to pocket his town reads while driving a wagon on a town to protect himself and his teammate. If this is the case, his teammate would likely be Durga or Hamilton.

If I'm reading this correctly, if Yoyo is scum, then so is one of Durga or myself?
How do you derive that when Yoyo declares Durga as scum and a question mark/scum lean on me?

Unless declaring two is a useful ploy (drive both wagons and stay off their partner's) but it seems that could go badly so early.

Bussing, HB. It is called bussing. Especially in a smaller game and without a scum QT, some of it should be expected D1.

[damo666]

##vote damo harder

I didn't want your opinion on HB. The time for that had passed.

I also dont like just slipping in who you'd prefer to daykill without any explanation.

We are in the last quarter of the day. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[Yoyoyozo]

I don't know if scum are pushing this HB "townslip" fake conversation crap, but I am 100% sure they are just fine with it being the topic of conversation. At least last game we didn't have to do anything and town just tunneled on HB - allowing a couple of us to get easy townreads by defending him.

I'm also aware that's what I'm doing now.

However, I want to cut this crap out early. HB is for all intents and purposes NAI until we start getting flips and voting records. Cop would probably be best to just scan him tonight so we can get something concrete and prevent his existence from being used to scum's advantage. You can find something in his posts on any given day that is inconsistent and scummy, so pointing it out and digging into it will literally get us nowhere.

Or, we decide his very existence is to scum's advantage, and we take him out today. I don't rather much care either way, but I do know that these tunnels Durga, bozo and others are diving down are most likely harmful to town. Personally, I'm inclined to townread the ones tunneling and scumread those who are shying away (assuming HB is inno townie).

I'm also not sure if Durga's request to post a GM's PM is within the rules of the game.

This is not the first time you have tried to direct the cops scan. You’re aware that there’s a godfather that comes up innocent right? I think someone trying to get someone else scanned rubs me the wrong way. If HB rolls godfather, I’m definitely going to be revisiting your interacting with him. I doubt you’re dumb enough to scum crumb like this, but I’ve seen worse

[Durga]

##vote bozo I don't remember nonsense reaction tests and pointless questions and lack of overall engagement from town!bozo so I'm pretty comfortable with this right now

I disagree with all 3 of these characterizations, but assuming you think they are true, do you remember me doing these things as scum?

Hmmmmm. I can't remember much about that last game other than the crazy end of day voting mess up you had actually. I don't remember you doing any of this as town though. Are you actually scum reading HB for not remembering Jamiet? Didn't you capitalise on his memory loss last time you were scum too? Or do you think it was honest last time but dishonest this time? If so, why?

[Durga]

##vote damo harder

I didn't want your opinion on HB. The time for that had passed.

I also dont like just slipping in who you'd prefer to daykill without any explanation.

We are in the last quarter of the day. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Why gold or yoyo?

[bozotheclown]

He could be trying to pocket his town reads while driving a wagon on a town to protect himself and his teammate. If this is the case, his teammate would likely be Durga or Hamilton.

If I'm reading this correctly, if Yoyo is scum, then so is one of Durga or myself?
How do you derive that when Yoyo declares Durga as scum and a question mark/scum lean on me?

Unless declaring two is a useful ploy (drive both wagons and stay off their partner's) but it seems that could go badly so early.

If Yoyoyozo is scum, it seems likely he would be bussing you or Durga while trying to get me, damo, or rdrivera killed.

[Durga]

He could be trying to pocket his town reads while driving a wagon on a town to protect himself and his teammate. If this is the case, his teammate would likely be Durga or Hamilton.

If I'm reading this correctly, if Yoyo is scum, then so is one of Durga or myself?
How do you derive that when Yoyo declares Durga as scum and a question mark/scum lean on me?

Unless declaring two is a useful ploy (drive both wagons and stay off their partner's) but it seems that could go badly so early.

If Yoyoyozo is scum, it seems likely he would be bussing you or Durga while trying to get me, damo, or rdrivera killed.

You think yoyo is going to be bussing like that in a 9 player game with only one scum partner?

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo I don't remember nonsense reaction tests and pointless questions and lack of overall engagement from town!bozo so I'm pretty comfortable with this right now

I disagree with all 3 of these characterizations, but assuming you think they are true, do you remember me doing these things as scum?

Hmmmmm. I can't remember much about that last game other than the crazy end of day voting mess up you had actually. I don't remember you doing any of this as town though. Are you actually scum reading HB for not remembering Jamiet? Didn't you capitalise on his memory loss last time you were scum too? Or do you think it was honest last time but dishonest this time? If so, why?

I am not sure what EOD voting you are referring to. I am not sure what to think about HB because of what happened in M1012/M1013, but claiming to forget that he played the entire D1 of M1012 knowing who his scum partner was is a little harder to believe than forgetting that players can post at night on N1 of M1013.

[bozotheclown]

If I'm reading this correctly, if Yoyo is scum, then so is one of Durga or myself?
How do you derive that when Yoyo declares Durga as scum and a question mark/scum lean on me?

Unless declaring two is a useful ploy (drive both wagons and stay off their partner's) but it seems that could go badly so early.

If Yoyoyozo is scum, it seems likely he would be bussing you or Durga while trying to get me, damo, or rdrivera killed.

You think yoyo is going to be bussing like that in a 9 player game with only one scum partner?

Maybe, I probably would have had a better chance in M1013 if I had bussed flash D1, but I typically try to avoid bussing if possible. I see that you have played a number of mafia games with Yoyoyozo, do you remember his propensity to bus?

[bozotheclown]

This is a huge stretch. You think Hamilton, as scum, posts an easily verifiable lie pretending to never have played with yoyo, all as an excuse to do what exactly - introduce himself? Cmon.

And btw, I know Hamilton from dip, and we were on team Canada together a few years ago as well.

Maybe the scum team is Canadian. I do not know who is more likely to be scum, Durga for calling my insightful, well formulated questions pointless, or Moscow for agreeing with her.

Insighted and well formulated? Get a load of this guy.

In case it was not obvious, I was making a point that calling my questions insightful and well formulated does not make it any more true than Durga calling my questions pointless makes that true.

[bozotheclown]

test

[goldfinger0303]

##vote damo harder

I didn't want your opinion on HB. The time for that had passed.

I also dont like just slipping in who you'd prefer to daykill without any explanation.

We are in the last quarter of the day. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

I don't see how the time of day makes my comment unreasonable. We're still in the part of the day where votes should be informed

[goldfinger0303]

I don't know if scum are pushing this HB "townslip" fake conversation crap, but I am 100% sure they are just fine with it being the topic of conversation. At least last game we didn't have to do anything and town just tunneled on HB - allowing a couple of us to get easy townreads by defending him.

I'm also aware that's what I'm doing now.

However, I want to cut this crap out early. HB is for all intents and purposes NAI until we start getting flips and voting records. Cop would probably be best to just scan him tonight so we can get something concrete and prevent his existence from being used to scum's advantage. You can find something in his posts on any given day that is inconsistent and scummy, so pointing it out and digging into it will literally get us nowhere.

Or, we decide his very existence is to scum's advantage, and we take him out today. I don't rather much care either way, but I do know that these tunnels Durga, bozo and others are diving down are most likely harmful to town. Personally, I'm inclined to townread the ones tunneling and scumread those who are shying away (assuming HB is inno townie).

I'm also not sure if Durga's request to post a GM's PM is within the rules of the game.

This is not the first time you have tried to direct the cops scan. You’re aware that there’s a godfather that comes up innocent right? I think someone trying to get someone else scanned rubs me the wrong way. If HB rolls godfather, I’m definitely going to be revisiting your interacting with him. I doubt you’re dumb enough to scum crumb like this, but I’ve seen worse

You misunderstand me, yoyo.

I say we can either kill him now, or scan him.

In a tight game, I foresee him either 1) Being scum and given a pass for numerous scummy things or 2) Being town and an active detriment to town by not thinking scum would scumread each other.

[goldfinger0303]

It's less a desire to direct the cop scan and more a desire to neutralize a town threat.

[ghug]

##VOTE gold

[goldfinger0303]

That's not a good idea ghug. We can only afford two mislynches.