Mafia 57 Matrix

[Hellenic Riot]

Because you and gold are the only identity-unknown players who voted emc day 3, and gold is right that it's unlikely nobody was busing.

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

This line reads like a cheeky scum saying exactly what's been happening so far this game. Maybe Fox vs EMC is scum vs scum? If so, HR is scum.

You think all three wagons are scum and despite there being 5 living scum members none of them have started a wagon on a town, at MILO?

Seems legit

[ghug]

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

This line reads like a cheeky scum saying exactly what's been happening so far this game. Maybe Fox vs EMC is scum vs scum? If so, HR is scum.

You think all three wagons are scum and despite there being 5 living scum members none of them have started a wagon on a town, at MILO?

Seems legit

Thinking past today

[Ezio]

It's an interesting observation to suggest ghug is playing as though today/tomorrow is the end. Do I get that right? Miskill today, night kill puts the numbers at 5/5.

There's still game remaining.

I need to understand why Foxcastle is the leading wagon.
Is is a) meta, b) misleading, c) evasiveness, or d) other that's leading to such a vote?

I'm not crazy about my vote on EMC. I've been back and forth with it. I am also not confident in Foxcastle as the kill.

How is the game not over if we misskill today?

[Hamilton Brian]

I'm gonna ##vote Foxcastle.

This is because I townread everyone on the wagon. It's shocking a priori that Ghug was wrong so much this game, but I believe that ppl were just scummy.

Tom looks like Tom does. I always townread him. When his townreads line up with my own, I feel very good.
In your opinion, what marks Tom as town?
IIRC Goldie was a much more lurky scum than he's been this game.
Are you basing that on Gold's volume of posts?

As for the actual EMC for Foxcastle, Foxcastle should have done much more by now than he has. I expect this play from EMC, not Fox.
Although Fox has offered an explanation; it's anything any of us can easily makeup and we choose to trust it or not. Why do you not trust it? Is there something else?

Jamiet's play still strikes me as scummy.
Strikes you how? Jamie strikes me as someone who doesn't abide perceived stupidity easily, quick to offer their opinion, etc. That tone that I've seen directed at different players might be extrapolated to "If you're behaving that way at town, then you're anti-town." It's a reach, but is it that far-fetched? If Jamie strikes you as scummy, then why be content to put your vote on Fox?

BismarckAlive is my biggest townread by far though. Idk who he is, but he's gotta be town. I'd love to see him hop onto the Foxcastle wagon as well to give me a much better feeling about this whole thing.
What have they done/said to make them your biggest townread? In my opinion, they haven't been around to leave much of an impression on anyone. To leave such an impression on someone who has subbed for 72(?) hours, that's some level of reading I'd like to aspire to.

There was speculation that Bo, now Ezio, was most likely scum. Was that refuted anywhere? I don't remember. So it is still an option.

##Vote Ezio

[Hamilton Brian]

@HB, the game is over at 5-5, because the scum can prevent themselves from being daykilled.

Thanks; thought so. Just wanted to make sure.

[Ezio]

What if emc is an important scum role though? There are certain scum roles they might look to protect more than others.

This line reads like a cheeky scum saying exactly what's been happening so far this game. Maybe Fox vs EMC is scum vs scum? If so, HR is scum.

You think all three wagons are scum and despite there being 5 living scum members none of them have started a wagon on a town, at MILO?

Seems legit

Pretty sure I've made that play before. Too much heat on most/all of you so you decide to go all in on a single mafia making it UTR. Seems legit.

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamiet, do you really believe that there's anything I could say to sway ghug and others? Because I don't think there is.

No, because that would require you to have a general understanding of what has been happening in this game, which you do not appear to possess. Key events and discussions in the game are having to be explained to you, at this late stage, because you have not been paying very much attention.

[Foxcastle]

Jamiet, do you really believe that there's anything I could say to sway ghug and others? Because I don't think there is.

No, because that would require you to have a general understanding of what has been happening in this game, which you do not appear to possess. Key events and discussions in the game are having to be explained to you, at this late stage, because you have not been paying very much attention.

Nah, that's not it.

[goldfinger0303]

HB - the scum speculation on BO/Ezio was because Nanook said he didn't trust him after our PRs were hit. He and Bunny mentioned they didn't tell bo their true alignment because they wanted to test him.

However, before he died Nanook said the real reason for the "test" wasn't to scumtest bo, but to protect Nanook. It still shows there wasn't 100% trust there, but it's not nearly as bad as Bunny was making it out to be. And our PRs were all tagged before Bo was even red-pilled.


Also, I'm caught up. And precisely none of what has been said has changed my mind about votes. Fox is listing a kitchen sink full of potential scum names. Lazy lazy.

@Jamiet - I want you ghug and I to be together. Would you join on Fox, or do you want to convince us to emc?

@non-voters and HR voters - join a wagon and push your case. We can't have 3 viable wagons at EOD or scum could rush one.

[ghug]

I become a bundle of anxious nerves capable of making all sorts of sudden switches in these situations. Just ask Ezio.

[Foxcastle]

I find the mix of people not worried about future phases and the mix of people not worried about getting this wrong to be kinda fascinating.

[ghug]

To our less ahem understanding players. It's important that we coalesce at the end of the day here once it's clear who's won the vote, as scum control a large enough number of the votes to flip a split [redact] at the last second.

[goldfinger0303]

Also I dont like Fox's diatribe on RL reasons for not being engaged.

For the last week I've been on vacation. I golfed this morning. You just make time to check in each day and you can at the very least put together a meaningful case on someone.

[ghug]

Also I dont like Fox's diatribe on RL reasons for not being engaged.

For the last week I've been on vacation. I golfed this morning. You just make time to check in each day and you can at the very least put together a meaningful case on someone.

I'm going to spend the last hour today playing through a meeting!

[Foxcastle]

Also I dont like Fox's diatribe on RL reasons for not being engaged.

For the last week I've been on vacation. I golfed this morning. You just make time to check in each day and you can at the very least put together a meaningful case on someone.

Where are you people on Peterlund/Tem? I've been around for most of this game and you pounce when I get busy for a few days. They coast as if dead and nobody cares.

Anyway, I'm not going to engage in fighting over whether WebDip Mafia takes precedence over the rest of my life. I'm glad you've been able to participate, Gold, that must be nice for you, now please cute me some slack.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamiet - I want you ghug and I to be together. Would you join on Fox, or do you want to convince us to emc?

I don't care to hear about your erotic fantasies.

The problem for me is that Fox comes across as playing badly not playing like scum necessarily. I think he has made very little effort to keep up with the game, to the extent that he was apparently unaware of HR deliberately saving EMC twice, despite this having been the subject of a LOT of discussion.

So I really don't like the way he has played.

The problem is, I have a history of voting people for playing badly when this does not actually equal scum, so I am hesitant to move to Foxcastle.

Why do you think that EMC is town?

[e.m.c^42]

##vote Jamie, remembered I should not leave it last minute lol

[Foxcastle]

Why are you even voting for me, Gold?

[Jamiet99uk]

Note: I would still consider moving to HR. But to make me move, people would need to convince me why EMC is town in their view. Otherwise my vote stays on him.

I am also triggered by the fact that he avoided participation for over 32 hours and then immediately responded, within minutes, when I put an endvote on him.

[ghug]

I find the mix of people not worried about future phases and the mix of people not worried about getting this wrong to be kinda fascinating.

I see three possible reasons for the former:
1. Main wagons are scum, like Ezio says, and they're writing off today in the hopes of a better future position.
2. Main wagons are all town. I find this unlikely, and also honestly don't see any way we win at this point if that's the case.
3. Some of each, and scum have already staked out their positions, or are waiting to vote late if they can.