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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3261 Post by Foxcastle » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:50 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:32 pm
@FoxCastle: How can you take the view that removing Bunny today is both the safest thing to do, and the worst possible idea that will lose town the game?

You seem to be saying that you simultaneously hold both of these opinions.
In chess, it's called zugzwang, but I've stopped caring is the answer, because there is no serious chance that I'll convince anyone of any course of action other than to trundle down the path to a town loss after we kill Bunny.

If there's scum on the ship that could use the anti-virus to hit town, or if we think Bunny is going to cooperate with scum for a joint win, then... removing Bunny is the safest thing to do, yes.

And if we remove Bunny today, we are one step closer to KILO with one less day of useful information.

I think if we do not lynch Bunny today, we have to anti-virus him, to close off the chance that he and scum will work together against town. Or, as you point out, he might just decide to throw the game to scum. I wish we could keep him around and simply deny him the win, but we can't.

There is no hidden path to winning the game other than kill scum today, and use the information we get from today's wagons to keep doing it. It's very similar to the path if we kill Bunny today—maybe it's even the same path, I haven't done the math.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3262 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:57 pm

Just got home and furiously trying to catch up. Seems Bunny is the odds on fave but there is disagreement.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3263 Post by Foxcastle » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:00 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:57 pm
Just got home and furiously trying to catch up. Seems Bunny is the odds on fave but there is disagreement.
I mean, if every person not already on Bunny consolidated on, say, Ghug, we'd still be two short of even tying.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3264 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Bo has issued no-kill. Would that not be a better place to land if unsure? Sorry, just hamstringing my attempt to get really up to speed within the hour and change that's left.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3265 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:26 pm

A lot of what Nanook has written seems pretty strong. The mechanics seem to work the way they're saying. I don't feel like any other choice is reasonable at this point but to

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3266 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:39 pm

I think I’ve got two scum maybe three

But it’s kinda gamethrowing if I’m wrong so

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3267 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:40 pm

I think HB is scum

So is foxcastle

Less sure on bo


If none of these three are scum then idfk 🤷‍♀️

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3268 Post by ghug » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:41 pm

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:39 pm
I think I’ve got two scum maybe three

But it’s kinda gamethrowing if I’m wrong so
I mean we can always just not believe you.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3269 Post by ghug » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:41 pm

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:40 pm
I think HB is scum

So is foxcastle

Less sure on bo


If none of these three are scum then idfk 🤷‍♀️
You don't think Brian fits that too clueless to be scum mold that you've applied to Bismarck?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3270 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:41 pm

I mean most likely I’m gonna die and ya’ll are gonna do whatever you want so 🤷‍♀️

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3271 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:42 pm

ghug wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:41 pm
Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:40 pm
I think HB is scum

So is foxcastle

Less sure on bo


If none of these three are scum then idfk 🤷‍♀️
You don't think Brian fits that too clueless to be scum mold that you've applied to Bismarck?
No I don’t

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3272 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:42 pm

Nanook wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:39 pm
I think I’ve got two scum maybe three

But it’s kinda gamethrowing if I’m wrong so
But you’d spill the beans if you could, right?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3273 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:43 pm

Like that pop in just now was pretty scummy imo

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3274 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:46 pm

That seems to fit a pretty short metric. I’m trying to quickly catch up to rectify four days of no Wi-Fi coverage in rural Ontario.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3275 Post by Hamilton Brian » Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:50 pm

The un-trusting cynic in me wonders if this is not some elaborate scam play driven up by Bunny and Nanook. However, some people have put a great amount of thought into it already, and are landing on that wagon. I think it would be hard to generate anything else coming close to it.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3276 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:05 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:42 pm
I have asked for a sub. I'll explain it some other time.
Oh dear. I hope you are well, Bo.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3277 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:20 pm

Therul and Temasek are still absent :-/

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3278 Post by Nanook » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:22 pm

Hamilton Brian wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:46 pm
That seems to fit a pretty short metric. I’m trying to quickly catch up to rectify four days of no Wi-Fi coverage in rural Ontario.
Idk what to tell you dude, it felt like a scummy “I have to say something so here’s a bunch of nothing that will keep me from getting noticed” pop in 🤷‍♀️

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3279 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:23 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:50 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:32 pm
@FoxCastle: How can you take the view that removing Bunny today is both the safest thing to do, and the worst possible idea that will lose town the game?

You seem to be saying that you simultaneously hold both of these opinions.
If there's scum on the ship that could use the anti-virus to hit town, or if we think Bunny is going to cooperate with scum for a joint win, then... removing Bunny is the safest thing to do, yes.
Thank you.

Nanook, who is on the ship, is pretty sure one of the people on the ship with him is scum.

I'm not lynching Ghug today.

Did you have any views regarding my very detailed case on HR? I am sure that HR is scum here. Your comments on my case would be appreciated.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#3280 Post by e.m.c^42 » Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pm

Oh dear, Tem and therul.

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