MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[RagingIke297]

I would say Thamrick due to the following

(1) In 75% of his posts so far he's buddying/defending/making connections me
(2) He voted Bozo without mentioning anything else about him
(3) Last game he asked more questions that talk about multiple peoples votes and their logic, so far he's only questioned you. Another Ex. he asked some why they cast an anchored vote last game which he is doing now this game

I would say right now I'm about 45-50% confident [numbers added for ease of reference]

(1) I'm not sure what you mean by "buddying/defending/making connections." What do you mean by those things, and how are they alignment indicative? Is "buddying" just being polite or playful with others? I think Town Thamrick acts that way too, especially in the first 24 hours. Is defending just explaining why he thinks someone may be town, or disagreeing with someone else's scum read? How is that alignment indicative? And what the Hell is "making connections?

(2) Yeah, he did that. Pretty conspicuous huh? Is this really a part of your rationale? What is the motivation for Scum Thamrick to do that? I think Thamrick is a pretty good player. Do you agree? What is the strategy behind casting this Bozo vote?

(3) He has made 5 posts. In those posts, he asked questions of Balki, Snowy, reedeer, and Ike. So, it's just not true that he has only questioned Balki. And, he really has not participated much, so this observation seems awfully weak. I think it's valid to say that he has not participated much yet, and I'd be interested to hear if you think there is any alignment indicative conclusion we can draw from that, but I don't see one.

Still feel confident in this read? I don't understand your rationale. Please answer my questions above and support your read, or tell us how and why it's changed.

1. Thamrick has only made 4 posts, 1st was a reference to Sci-Fi Sim reunion. I was a part of that. Post 2 he asks about how I know how often people post, everyone can use peter's bot to find that out. He also questions your vote on me. Third post he says that the exchanges between yav and I as well as TrPrdo and I. It just feels like he's paving a path for us to be friends.

2. I don't know why scum Thamrick would anchor vote on Bozo, but I don't see a reason for town Thamrick to do that either. A vote is the most important thing that a large number of people have, why would you drop it on someone and not explain why you're using quite possibly your most important tool the way you are? From what I've seen he does a pretty good job, so maybe there is a strategy behind what he's doing, I just don't see it.

3. Again, Thamrick has only made 4 posts, his question to reeder was "what's up with the colored text? " and his question to me I explained didn't even need to be a question because of peter's bot. (also, why did you refer to yourself in the third person?)

I'm still relatively confident and the best way to either confirm or change my read would be to ask Thamrick questions directly.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki:

Could you foresee yourself jumping onto xorx if the Ike wagon doesn't blow up?

Could be. But it’s early days. I’m not very solid on any read right now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Balki playing dumb that buddying is NAI is strange as hell.

Oh? I’m not playing dumb. I understand that some buzzword flingers and clingers use “buddying” as a shorthand for “acting nice or playful toward” and they latch on to ridiculous conventional wisdom that this behavior indicates a likelihood of scumminess.But I also believe this is lazy, half-baked sludge that belongs in a New Jersey landfill.

So, I like to ask people to explain what they actually mean.

Is that “strange as hell”?

Also, by “strange as hell,” I will assume you mean “probative and thoughtful, much beyond the typical drivel that passes for scumhunting around here,” unless you care to elaborate on your insinuation.

[Balki Bartokomous]

(1) I'm not sure what you mean by "buddying/defending/making connections." What do you mean by those things, and how are they alignment indicative? Is "buddying" just being polite or playful with others?
....

Balki, you are an experienced player at this game. Do you really expect us to believe that you don't know what buddying is?

No, you dolt.

[DemonRHK]

Balki, buddying is often a scum tactic. It's possible for town to do it, but it's highly uncommon, esp. at this point, unless it's someone virgin af to mafia, and even most of the new players have exp in other mediums or at least seem to not be unaware of how the game is played.

Your attempts to fellate Merriam-Webster in your posting says more that you're disinterested in doing anything of value, besides stroke an ego.

In fact, you've been attacking Rike for doing the exact same thing you have been doing all D1. In fact, outside of calling out Rike, you've done nothing but ask questions. What reads or analysis do you actually have from playing Akinator in the game thread?

[ghug]

I don't remember disliking RHK this much, but everything he says makes me want to hurt him. "Rike"? JFC dude.

Speaking of Ike, noticing someone "buddying" him really rubs me the wrong way.

Xorxes, have you ever posted a full reads list this early? If so, when? If not, why the change? If you'll indulge me, I'd like you to participate in a little thought exercise for me: List as many players playing in this game as you can remember without outside aid. If you're stuck more than about five seconds, stop. Feel free to cheat, but keep in mind that Balki will know.

Also can you all just accept that Balki's like this and wait until he makes his role obvious with his actions instead of focusing on how he talks? I find discussion like this about as valuable as extended discussions on "brain is talking a lot", "Jamie is angry", or "Prado is a moron".

[RagingIke297]

I don't remember disliking RHK this much, but everything he says makes me want to hurt him. "Rike"? JFC dude.

Speaking of Ike, noticing someone "buddying" him really rubs me the wrong way.

LOL "Rike" that's a blast from the past that was literally worse than a Bo-level idea.

Not sure if I should take that second part as a compliment or an insult

[ghug]

Oh, I remember it. It just irritates me deeply.

[RagingIke297]

Speaking of Ike, noticing someone "buddying" him really rubs me the wrong way.

Ghug, will you elaborate on this a bit?

[ghug]

Seems like something scum are more likely to be overly concerned about.

[RagingIke297]

Seems like something scum are more likely to be overly concerned about.

In your opinion would scum be more likely to point out someone buddying a third person or someone buddying the scum member themself?

[ghug]

Seems like something scum are more likely to be overly concerned about.

In your opinion would scum be more likely to point out someone buddying a third person or someone buddying the scum member themself?

The latter by a large margin. Scum are very concerned with their connections to others in a way that townies aren't.

[xorxes]

Xorxes, have you ever posted a full reads list this early? If so, when? If not, why the change? If you'll indulge me, I'd like you to participate in a little thought exercise for me: List as many players playing in this game as you can remember without outside aid. If you're stuck more than about five seconds, stop. Feel free to cheat, but keep in mind that Balki will know.

Are you really going to make an issue of me posting a reads list im the middle of D1? I just wanted something to do, I copied the players list from the first post and wrote my reads, what's the big deal? And no, I probably didn't do it before, not that I remember, so what? Are you going to say I'm breaking my meta?

And I probably can remember most of the players since I just did the full read list: ghug, Balki, Prado, Ike, rd, RHK, reeder, the 4 newbies teacher, Kate Upton (aka Telamor), stressed and the fourth one that escapes me atm, snowy, Chaqa, Ezio, that's 14, I could probably get the other six if I thought a bit longer. What's the conclusion from this exercise?

[xorxes]

dargo, Jamie, it's actually hard to remember everyone. The fourth newbie is Dr something.

[teacher2]

Im going to go work on a catchup post. For now I'll note that our mute partner, stressedlines, was online 2 hours ago, but still absent here. I rechecked the rules-its two posts per gameday, not RLday. I hope stressed bring something to the table that required the good marinating....

[xorxes]

peterlund, yavuz, I think I'm only missing two now

[xorxes]

bozo and thamrick, that's 20 and myself makes 21. I only cheated for these last two.

[ghug]

Thank you for indulging me.

[xorxes]

Thank you for indulging me.

But what's the verdict?

[ghug]

I'm not sure yet.

How many do you think you would have gotten on the first pass pre-reads list?