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[Hellenic Riot]

I would like to draw attention to something:

HR repeatedly shouted at me, demanding I address his "riposte" to my scumread on EMC.

When I did so, addressing him in considerable detail, he didn't acknowledge or respond to my post at all. He just moved on as if I hadn't said anything.

Pretty convinced HR and EMC are scum together.

I feel like 'shout' is a bit of an exaggeration here when it was you pushing on me and not the other way around - And as you weren't around at EoD me going back and responding to you would have just thrown mud into the water when there were clearly other priorities to be done. The fact that you stated you were then going to elaborate on your suspicions on me and never actually did it meant that there was even less point digging into it. You gave some reasons for why you thought emc was scum, left your vote on me, and weren't around at EoD. What were you expecting me to do with that?

@HR, I have a hard time seeing a scenario now where D3 happened and emc is town. That good enough for you? Care to wax a counteryarn?

I like your analysis and I might be able to buy into it, but I'd be very interested to see a D4 analysis because I think the wagon-movement there (or rather the complete absence of it) was very telling.

[Jamiet99uk]

I would like to draw attention to something:

HR repeatedly shouted at me, demanding I address his "riposte" to my scumread on EMC.

When I did so, addressing him in considerable detail, he didn't acknowledge or respond to my post at all. He just moved on as if I hadn't said anything.

Pretty convinced HR and EMC are scum together.

I feel like 'shout' is a bit of an exaggeration here when it was you pushing on me and not the other way around - And as you weren't around at EoD me going back and responding to you would have just thrown mud into the water when there were clearly other priorities to be done. The fact that you stated you were then going to elaborate on your suspicions on me and never actually did it meant that there was even less point digging into it. You gave some reasons for why you thought emc was scum, left your vote on me, and weren't around at EoD. What were you expecting me to do with that?

So with me absent, you weren't worried about your little friend EMC being [redacted].

I see.

[Jamiet99uk]

Really suspicious that BunnyGo isn't presenting a case on me and to my knowledge has never called for a wagon on me or voted for me, but is now softly encouraging *other* people to consider scumreading me.

That's super creepy behaviour.
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Bunny, if you think I'm scum, come out here and say that, and present your reasons. Don't ask Ghug to do it for you.

I’ve shaded you before. I’m wondering if your absence is faked. I’m wondering if your cases are lacking. I remember you as better than this. But I haven’t done a deep read yet.

My absences have not been faked and if that's the best you've got, it isn't very good.

[Foxcastle]

Ghugh and Jamiet are looking worse to be since they can't seem to actual produce scum cases that aren't just louder and louder assertions of who they suppose to be scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghugh and Jamiet are looking worse to be since they can't seem to actual produce scum cases that aren't just louder and louder assertions of who they suppose to be scum.

Have you been drinking?

[ghug]

Ghugh and Jamiet are looking worse to be since they can't seem to actual produce scum cases that aren't just louder and louder assertions of who they suppose to be scum.

I encourage you to buy my books. There are two now: Agent Fox and The Fantastic Mr. Smith

[Foxcastle]

I mean, way to prove my point?

[Jamiet99uk]

Ghugh and Jamiet are looking worse to be since they can't seem to actual produce scum cases that aren't just louder and louder assertions of who they suppose to be scum.

I encourage you to buy my books. There are two now: Agent Fox and The Fantastic Mr. Smith

Hello Ghug. It is a pleasure to be joined by such a successful author and noted philanthropist. What do you think about BunnyGo's sketchy behaviour tonight?

[ghug]

Ghugh and Jamiet are looking worse to be since they can't seem to actual produce scum cases that aren't just louder and louder assertions of who they suppose to be scum.

I encourage you to buy my books. There are two now: Agent Fox and The Fantastic Mr. Smith

Hello Ghug. It is a pleasure to be joined by such a successful author and noted philanthropist. What do you think about BunnyGo's sketchy behaviour tonight?

I just can't see it.

[ghug]

I mean, way to prove my point?

Do you have better explanations for what happened with the first two daykills? How about enough of whatever you're drinking to share some?

[Jamiet99uk]

I encourage you to buy my books. There are two now: Agent Fox and The Fantastic Mr. Smith

Hello Ghug. It is a pleasure to be joined by such a successful author and noted philanthropist. What do you think about BunnyGo's sketchy behaviour tonight?

I just can't see it.

You can't see what?

You can't see BunnyGo's posts?

I don't really understand your comment there.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am re-reading D1 and N1 and HR's incendiary reaction to the EoD wagon on EMC is remarkable stuff. It's almost like Flum put a Lover role into the game and gave it to HR, but forgot to tell anyone else that the role existed. More on this shortly.

[ghug]

Hello Ghug. It is a pleasure to be joined by such a successful author and noted philanthropist. What do you think about BunnyGo's sketchy behaviour tonight?

I just can't see it.

You can't see what?

You can't see BunnyGo's posts?

I don't really understand your comment there.

Bunny not being town.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh wow, HR's Day Three looks incredibly scummy on re-read.

Full findings very soon.

[BunnyGo]

Oh wow, HR's Day Three looks incredibly scummy on re-read.

Full findings very soon.

Looking forward to it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Allow me to present my ISO read of everyone's favourite angry jar of mayonnaise, Hellmanic Riot.

My comments / analyses are underlined.

Day One
P8: Enters the game complaining that there is too much "introductory talk". He criticises BunnyGo for not criticising his use of a trap in a previous game.

P15: Votes Hamilton Brian and says this is because HB's reads have been hedgy "throughout the game".

"Throughout the game?" This was about halfway into Day One. What a strange turn of phrase to use at that point in time.

Also on that page he criticises me for reacting to DemonRHK and Ghug softclaiming VT, and is convinced that they were "joking". Bit of an assumption...

He also repeats his criticism of BunnyGo for not complaining about him (and then continues to talk about this on P.18).

He likes Tom and has early suspicions about Damo, Nanook, and Bismarck.

P.26: Asks EMC how new Hamilton is (because he is surprised at EMC having a meta read on Hamilton).

P.31: Criticises Nanook's play so far, and moves his vote to Bismarck because, apparently, Bismarck is talking about mechanics too much.

P.35: Disagrees with Chaqa who made a comment scumreading Tom. Thinks Tom had been, at that point "the most forthright and open person with reads all game". Again using phrases like "all game" midway through D1 is weird. It's like saying "this has been happening all week long!" on a Monday lunchtime. Chainsaws Chaqa and makes a fuss about how "widely townread" Tom is. He really seems to invest in defending his townreads, does HR.

P.38: Presses Nanook for reads, criticises Nanook's voting (for Summit), urges him to vote for Bismarck instead.

P.39: Criticises Bismarck for not scumhunting.

P.42,43 - EoD1: Asks Ghug how he feels about the people who are on the Summit wagon with him.

Note: At that moment, those people were Flash, Nanook, Therul, and Bunny. At that moment, Ghug jumped to Flash, and then moved to Damo, before going back to Summit, while Bunny, Damo and Flash joined the sudden EMC wagon.

One minute from EoD, HR attacked those on the sudden EMC wagon. He moved from Bismarck to Flash. EMC was still one vote ahead. Moments later, BunnyGo would move from EMC to Flash. Flash was removed and EMC survived.

Night One

P.44: HR is really angry with Ghug for moving back onto Summit at EoD. He also complains about how "godawful" the EMC wagon was.

P.48: Continues swearing and cursing about the "utter horseshit" EMC wagon and outright states that he voted Flash to save EMC. Quote: "I was voting to stop someone being eliminated (emc) more than actually [scumreading flash]."
This is worthy of further comment; see below

P.51: Repeats to Worcej: "I did not want EMC lynched".

Provides EoN reads on 7 people. Bismarck(scumread), Nanook(scumread), Tom Bomb(townread), Foxcastle (townread), Summit(scum), Damo(scum),Goldfinger(scum). Declares himself certain that at least one of Summit, Damo, and Goldfinger are scum, entirely due to their participation on the EMC wagon. Note that he does not list EMC in his reads.

Day Two

P.52: Starts D2 as he ended N1, banging on about the EMC wagon and demanding a vote on either Goldfinger or Damo because he is still upset with them for placing poor little EMC in danger.

Day Three

P.75: Makes a long post attacking Nanook and votes for him.
Declares Tom his top townread, and now has townreads on Goldfinger, BunnyGo, and Hamilton. Still scumreads Bismarck. Thinks there is a scum in the lurkers of Temasek / TheFlyingBoat / Therul. Also scumreads Rdrivera. Interesting that Goldfinger has suddenly changed from a scumread to a townread, which HR does not explain here.

P.76-77: Argues with Nanook.

P.101: After an absence, says he's catching up and hints that he is reconsidering his scumread on Nanook.

P.102: Starts pushing TheFlyingBoat, for not explaining his reads in enough detail.

P.104: Questions TheFlyingBoat regarding his view on the D1 EMC wagon.

P.105: Repeats his question to TFB about the EMC wagon, demanding an answer.

P.106: Once again demands that TFB answer him regarding the D1 EMC wagon. Note how impatient and insistent HR is about this. Three demands for an answer in the space of two pages. TFB had not posted at all in the short time between the second demand and the third, so it's not like TFB was posting other things and ignoring HR's question.

P.107: Makes a FOURTH demand for TheFlyingBoat to answer his question about the D1 EMC wagon, and moves his vote to TheFlyingBoat "until he answers". At this time EMC was the lead wagon, whilst Foxcastle was the only other person voting TFB.

P.108: Yet again posts "I would love TFB to actually answer my question." This is now the fifth time in the spage of three pages that HR has complained about TFB not answering him (during which time TFB had not posted).

Also at this time Rdrivera pointed out how fake HR's interrogations appeared.

P.109: Asks BunnyGo "What do you think about the way TFB ignored my question and then went offline?"
Note again that all of HR's repeated demands for an answer came after TFB's last post - so HR's claim he was being "ignored" looks very much like a false narrative.

Once again HR is very concerned about the fact that EMC is a wagon. Demands EMC voters explain themselves.

P.110: TheFlyingBoat appears and gives what appears to be an earnest answer to HR's question. By now TFB is the clear lead wagon and is about to be removed. HR is clearly online here and has an exchange with Goldfinger about Rdrivera's criticism of his "fake" interrogation, but HR does not immediately respond to TFB, nor move his vote.

P.111: Moments after the "Please Hold" message, HR finally acknowledges TFB's answer and tries to ask him another question (or at least, that is the appearance of it).

Night Three

P.112: Once TFB flips town, HR shrugs and says "that's disappointing" without offering any apology, and immediately starts abusing Rdrivera for daring to question the sincerity of his interrogation of TFB.

P.116: In a response to me, emphatically stresses how he does not scumread EMC, never has, and is very suspicious of anyone scumreading or voting EMC. In response to this I ask HR what his reason is for townreading EMC. He does not immediately answer.

Day Four

P.119: Doesn't like my vote on EMC.

P.123: Finally answers me with his devastating "Riposte" re: EMC, of which he is so proud.

P.124: Repeats himself that he does not want to vote EMC (fairly obvious already, surely!)

P.124: Shades Rdrivera, Goldfinger, Hamilton and Ghug for voting EMC the day before. Votes Rdrivera (starting the wagon on him).

P.127: Attacks me for "ignoring" his incredible "riposte".

P.128: Complains to Tom Bombadil about how I am ignoring him. Demands Ghug explain why he voted EMC on D3.

P.131: Declares that his top townreads are Tom, Hamilton (who he was shading on p.124), Therul, and BunnyGo. (Not EMC, you'll notice).

P.132: Is opposed to EMC as an info-flip. Defends EMC's participation level. Encourages Ghug to vote for Rdrivera. Complains that his vote on Rdrivera is the only one.

Moments later, Bo and Bunny move to Rdrivera.

P.136: Bites back at Rdrivera one more time, seconds before "Please Hold". Rdrivera is removed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Key observations

1. The D1 EoD wagon on EMC really seemed to upset HR. He criticised the people on it and in doing so, helped to save EMC. During the night he was really angry and sweary about the whole thing, seriously seeming to lose his cool about how close EMC came to being [redacted].

2. His EoN scumreads are semi-focussed on people who voted for EMC.

3. His D3 push on TheFlyingBoat is scummy as all hell. With EoD looming, HR asked TFB a question (about the EMC wagon, of course) and then makes not one, not two, not three, not four, but FIVE repeat demands for TFB to answer this question, and votes him for not answering, in the space of just five pages. During this time TFB did not appear to be present, but HR loudly screamed for an answer and cried that TFB was ignoring him. When TFB finally did re-appear and answer, HR was slow to acknowledge this, and didn't move his vote, and TFB was removed. HR created and vigorously drove this mislynch and was completely brazen and unapologetic about it.

4. HR's aggressive campaign to mis-flip TheFlyingBoat also had the effect of saving EMC for a second time, which he seems pleased about.

5. Not content with aggressively mis-flipping one poor townie, HR then spends Night Three and Day Four constructing a case on Rdrivera based around the fact that Rdrivera dared to call his interrogation of TheFlyingBoat "fake". HR starts the wagon on Rdrivera and calls for others to join him, and succeeds in getting Rdrivra mis-flipped as well.


Conclusions

1. HR openly saved EMC on both D1 and D3, despite never putting EMC in his top townreads and usually missing EMC off his reads lists.

2. HR has aggressively pushed two townies to their deaths in the last two days, and immediately after both flips, he has just shrugged and said "meh". He created and led these mis-flips.

3. HR is scum. His mother and father were scum. He wears scummy shoes, scum slacks, a scum shirt, a "club scum" necktie and a scummy little hat.

4. If the Third Party is trying to help town, please shoot EMC or HR tonight and we'll flip the other one tomorrow.

[Jamiet99uk]

Now I would like BunnyGo to try to tell anyone that I'm not putting in any effort. This took me nearly two hours of work.

[Hellenic Riot]

Ah yes, how dare I use the words 'all game' to describe behaviour that had, up until that point, occurred all game.

Ignoring most of the rest of that crock of shit, the reason I kept asking TFB that question is because TFB was online & reading the thread (he was listed at the bottom of the forum page). As it turned out, that was because he was writing up a big long answer, and had he done it faster I probably would have switched - Unfortunately he only posted it with about two minutes to go and there was no other plausible wagon by then.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ah yes, how dare I use the words 'all game' to describe behaviour that had, up until that point, occurred all game.

Ignoring most of the rest of that crock of shit, the reason I kept asking TFB that question is because TFB was online & reading the thread (he was listed at the bottom of the forum page). As it turned out, that was because he was writing up a big long answer, and had he done it faster I probably would have switched - Unfortunately he only posted it with about two minutes to go and there was no other plausible wagon by then.

Hello scum.

I don't believe you.