Mafia 57 Matrix

[e.m.c^42]

Jamie is different this game but I haven't a clue whether it's due to his alignment or due to the fact that his period of sobriety is apparently over, lol

Oh well, leniency as he's gotten sick past few days.

[Jamiet99uk]

So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.

Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?

That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.

No it isn't.

Case 1 says that Nanook was RBed - which means Ghug was not.

You don't lay out a single case in which Ghug was RB'ed, and now you are back-pedalling.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?

That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.

No it isn't.

Case 1 says that Nanook was RBed - which means Ghug was not.

You don't lay out a single case in which Ghug was RB'ed, and now you are back-pedalling.

And Case 2 says the RB was held - which means Ghug was not RBed.

You didn't consider a case where Ghug was actually RBed.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Ghug: Can you be clear about whether you were roleblocked or not?

Do you want a Nanook [redacted] today, since you called him a liar?

I have not been roleblocked recently. I do not want to redact Nanook today.

Then why did you call him a liar?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi I was roleblocked last night and while I think it’s weird that you tell people they were roleblocked here I’ll take my townclear please and thank you

##VOTE Nanook

Please explain this vote, Ghug, and explain why you changed your mind?

[BunnyGo]

@Ghug: Can you be clear about whether you were roleblocked or not?

Do you want a Nanook [redacted] today, since you called him a liar?

I have not been roleblocked recently. I do not want to redact Nanook today.

Then why did you call him a liar?

We’re you RBd night 2?

[BunnyGo]

Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?

That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.

I didn’t expound upon all ways it could be nanook scum and Ghug town. That’s true.

You’re correct Jimbo.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have not been roleblocked recently. I do not want to redact Nanook today.

Then why did you call him a liar?

We're you RBd night 2?

N'o, I wa's'n't.

Why d'o y'ou as'k ?

[BunnyGo]

That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.

No it isn't.

Case 1 says that Nanook was RBed - which means Ghug was not.

You don't lay out a single case in which Ghug was RB'ed, and now you are back-pedalling.

And Case 2 says the RB was held - which means Ghug was not RBed.

You didn't consider a case where Ghug was actually RBed.

That’s true. I find those cases hard to believe. Like scum!nanook would *know* he’s baiting ghug to a CC when he’s the less trusted.

And with both town, we’d need nanook who claims to be good to arbitrarily be doing something dumb. But you’re correct I didn’t list all ways those 4 cases could occur.

[BunnyGo]

No it isn't.

Case 1 says that Nanook was RBed - which means Ghug was not.

You don't lay out a single case in which Ghug was RB'ed, and now you are back-pedalling.

And Case 2 says the RB was held - which means Ghug was not RBed.

You didn't consider a case where Ghug was actually RBed.

That’s true. I find those cases hard to believe. Like scum!nanook would *know* he’s baiting ghug to a CC when he’s the less trusted.

And with both town, we’d need nanook who claims to be good to arbitrarily be doing something dumb. But you’re correct I didn’t list all ways those 4 cases could occur.

Shall I list more where you’re the one RBd? And both of them are scum waiting to CC you?

[BunnyGo]

Then why did you call him a liar?

We're you RBd night 2?

N'o, I wa's'n't.

Why d'o y'ou as'k ?

The term “recently”

[goldfinger0303]

##vote ghug

So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.

There's more scenarios than this, Bunny. Whether we should openly consider them, I'm not sure.

[Jamiet99uk]

And Case 2 says the RB was held - which means Ghug was not RBed.

You didn't consider a case where Ghug was actually RBed.

That’s true. I find those cases hard to believe. Like scum!nanook would *know* he’s baiting ghug to a CC when he’s the less trusted.

And with both town, we’d need nanook who claims to be good to arbitrarily be doing something dumb. But you’re correct I didn’t list all ways those 4 cases could occur.

Shall I list more where you’re the one RBd? And both of them are scum waiting to CC you?

What?

What are you on about?

I am not claiming Roleblock.

I have never been Roleblocked in this game.

Nobody has Roleblocked me.

Ghug appeared to be CCing Nanook's RB claim, but has now changed his mind.

[Foxcastle]

Please look at this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... =emc*&g=57

Here we see Foxcastle repeatedly, over and over, attack people for voting EMC. Oddly on N2 he says "EMC could be scum" but today he is back defending EMC again.

And yet, at the same time, Foxcastle himself is voting Temasek because Temasek is a low poster.

Huh. I feel Ghug may very well be right here.

##VOTE FOXCASTLE

Also, Jamiet, can you please quote where I "attack" anyone? Let alone "over and over" for voting EMC?

I literally provided a link. It provides multiple instances of you criticising anyone who votes EMC.

You simply linked to a peterbot search of every time I mention EMC or when I quote people who mention EMC. First of all, that's not me criticizing anyone who votes EMC, because to do that, you'd have to search for all mentions of EMC first. But the point is that you've mischaracterized it anyway.

##vote emc

shake him into action

I'm all for trying to get EMC to do anything, but it won't work and wagoning him on D1 leads to less information than other players.

For example, is that an "attack"?

I think BunnyGo and Jamiet's votes on EMC are NAI, even though they're anti-town. If they were scum, it'd be an easy place to park for the Day 1. Since Therul is new, I was kinda assuming that his vote there was more likely to make him town, but I find the inconsistency weird.

How does me stating that your and BunnyGo's votes on EMC are NAI constitute an "attack"?

Contrast that to EMC, who doesn't care that you're voting him and won't change his behavior.

That's a reply to BunnyGo. Is this an "attack"?

Can you identify the people who receive "attacks" from me more than once? BunnyGo, I assume, but I laid out my complaints about him at the time. But can you point to anyone else I "attack" "repeatedly?"

(Hint: Jamiet cannot, because this is ridiculous. I'm not sure why he thinks nobody is going to click through and read and see that his characterization is bizarre.)

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it is really, super weird that BunnyGo said:

" I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC "

And then proceeded to list no cases in which Ghug was Roleblocked.

[goldfinger0303]

##vote ghug

What's finally pushed you over the edge?

I don’t know. I don’t know who to vote. Nothing you’ve done has seemed towny. I don’t like emc or HR wagons. The Foxcastle push seems a little like low hanging fruit. Nobody has voted you the entire game. Or even suspected you really, which is weird since it’s not like you’ve been obvtowning at all.

(Also, I like the idea of the personal satisfaction of potentially being able to say I was the only one who was onto you)

Tom, I'm going to answer your question directly in a bit, but this is why you've been dropping in my town reads. Besides Bunny, ghug has probably done the single most scum-hunting in the game. He looks for a lot of reaction tests (which is what I'm reading a lot of his sarcasm as) and while he's not doing vote count analysis, he's doing a lot of behavioral analyzing. I'm not sure how that's been going over your head, but he and Bunny are the two obvtown in this game, in my books.

[Foxcastle]

Also, Jamiet, can you please quote where I "attack" anyone? Let alone "over and over" for voting EMC?

I literally provided a link. It provides multiple instances of you criticising anyone who votes EMC.

What do you make of there being much more of that day 1 than day 3?

Fox, same question.

I'm not criticizing people just for voting for EMC. I'm pushing back on policy voting EMC. There's more talk of that early on, and so there is more of me pushing back on it early on. And early on, my view of EMC was more null (including that he could be scum), and now it less null and I think it's more likely that he's town.

Two questions for you, Ghug:

1) Do you agree with Jamiet's characterization of my posts as being "attacks" that occur "over and over" and "repeatedly"?

2) Do you know what Jamiet's case on EMC is? Because I don't see where he has stated it.

[goldfinger0303]

That's a oversight by Bunny, Jamiet, but think about it a bit more. Ghug's move is extremely townie. Think on it a bit more. In what possible scenario would a scum ghug who voted Nanook make sense?

[Jamiet99uk]

That's a oversight by Bunny, Jamiet, but think about it a bit more. Ghug's move is extremely townie. Think on it a bit more. In what possible scenario would a scum ghug who voted Nanook make sense?

When did I claim Ghug was scum?

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm not at all a fan of the way Jamie questioned me about emc but then utterly ignoring my response to him. Why can't you (or anyone else) actually explain why you think emc is mafia?