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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2481 Post by Tom Bombadil » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:46 pm
##vote ghug
So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
#2 doesn’t work because how would ghug “catch” him. I think if ghug was roleblocked he would just say Nanook was lying. Especially considering he would probably win if it was Nanook vs ghug today. I don’t know what ghug was getting with that Nanook vote really, but he seems to be over it and back to Fox

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2482 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:50 pm

Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:46 pm
##vote ghug
So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
#2 doesn’t work because how would ghug “catch” him. I think if ghug was roleblocked he would just say Nanook was lying. Especially considering he would probably win if it was Nanook vs ghug today. I don’t know what ghug was getting with that Nanook vote really, but he seems to be over it and back to Fox
Catches him on tone or something. I dunno what he was doing. Only case 1 or 2 seem likely.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2483 Post by ghug » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:12 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:50 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm


So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
#2 doesn’t work because how would ghug “catch” him. I think if ghug was roleblocked he would just say Nanook was lying. Especially considering he would probably win if it was Nanook vs ghug today. I don’t know what ghug was getting with that Nanook vote really, but he seems to be over it and back to Fox
Catches him on tone or something. I dunno what he was doing. Only case 1 or 2 seem likely.
You forgot option 5

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2484 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:51 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:12 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:50 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:44 pm


#2 doesn’t work because how would ghug “catch” him. I think if ghug was roleblocked he would just say Nanook was lying. Especially considering he would probably win if it was Nanook vs ghug today. I don’t know what ghug was getting with that Nanook vote really, but he seems to be over it and back to Fox
Catches him on tone or something. I dunno what he was doing. Only case 1 or 2 seem likely.
You forgot option 5
Yeah. I grouped it with 1.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2485 Post by therul » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:55 pm

##Vote Temasek22 OMGUS
Your vote has been on me long enough.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2486 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:55 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:46 pm
##vote ghug
So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2487 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:59 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:38 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:20 pm
Please look at this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... =emc*&g=57

Here we see Foxcastle repeatedly, over and over, attack people for voting EMC. Oddly on N2 he says "EMC could be scum" but today he is back defending EMC again.

And yet, at the same time, Foxcastle himself is voting Temasek because Temasek is a low poster.

Huh. I feel Ghug may very well be right here.

##VOTE FOXCASTLE
Also, Jamiet, can you please quote where I "attack" anyone? Let alone "over and over" for voting EMC?
I literally provided a link. It provides multiple instances of you criticising anyone who votes EMC.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2488 Post by ghug » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:29 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:59 pm
Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:38 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:20 pm
Please look at this:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... =emc*&g=57

Here we see Foxcastle repeatedly, over and over, attack people for voting EMC. Oddly on N2 he says "EMC could be scum" but today he is back defending EMC again.

And yet, at the same time, Foxcastle himself is voting Temasek because Temasek is a low poster.

Huh. I feel Ghug may very well be right here.

##VOTE FOXCASTLE
Also, Jamiet, can you please quote where I "attack" anyone? Let alone "over and over" for voting EMC?
I literally provided a link. It provides multiple instances of you criticising anyone who votes EMC.
What do you make of there being much more of that day 1 than day 3?

Fox, same question.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2489 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:41 pm

ghug wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:29 pm

What do you make of there being much more of that day 1 than day 3?

Fox, same question.
I am not sure. Do you have a view, since you scum-read Foxcastle?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2490 Post by dargorygel » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:47 pm

##GM NOTE
The dripping green symbols indicate the following vote count (4.1)

Temasek22 (3) Bunny, Foxy, therul,
e.m.c^42 (2) Bismarck, Hamilton
Hellenic Riot (2) Nanook, rdrivera
Foxcastle (2) ghug, Jamie
Goldfinger (1) emc
Therule (1) Temasek
Rdrivera2005 (1) HR
Ghug (1) TomBomb

Two players have added added their drip to the vote count: bo, goldy

24 hours and 15 minutes left in this day.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2491 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:48 pm

"added added" ?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2492 Post by Jamiet99uk » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:49 pm

@Ghug: Can you be clear about whether you were roleblocked or not?

Do you want a Nanook lynch today, since you called him a liar?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2493 Post by dargorygel » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:52 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:48 pm
"added added" ?
The two 'addeds' combine to become a negative... they have NOT added.
(And bo ain't said nothing.)

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2494 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:53 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:55 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:46 pm
##vote ghug
So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?
That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2495 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:55 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:49 pm
@Ghug: Can you be clear about whether you were roleblocked or not?

Do you want a Nanook word not found today, since you called him a liar?

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2496 Post by BunnyGo » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:02 pm

BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:55 pm
BunnyGo wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:17 pm


So I see 4 cases with the Nanook/Ghug CC (is it?) scenario:

1) Both town. Nanook was RBd and Ghug thinks scum are being tricky
2) Nanook is scum. They held RB, and Ghug caught him!
3) Ghug is scum. He KNOWS that Nanook was RBd. Why’s he being weird?
4) Scum theatre. Why bother?

I don’t find case 3 or 4 compelling. But I especially don’t find 3 compelling. The only way 3 works is if Ghug thought someone would do this analysis and wants to next level it for a town read. But the level of thought this game has had would be moronic to try that.
Why do none of your cases provide for the possibility that Ghug was roleblocked?
That’s built in to the ones where he’s town. I just went based on alignment.
I didn’t expound upon all ways it could be nanook scum and Ghug town. That’s true.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2497 Post by e.m.c^42 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:15 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:12 am
Could everyone who was voting HR when he was a lead wagon yesterday please explain:

a) Why did you move off HR?
b) Do you still scumread him?

Those people are:

- BunnyGo
- EMC
- Nanook
- Rdrivera2005

(Damo was also on this wagon but has died)
I moved off of HR because I didn't scumread him in the first place. Hopped on as to add legitimacy to whatever damo was trying to pull reaction out of, like I said then.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2498 Post by ghug » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:15 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:49 pm
@Ghug: Can you be clear about whether you were roleblocked or not?

Do you want a Nanook [redacted] today, since you called him a liar?
I have not been roleblocked recently. I do not want to redact Nanook today.

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2499 Post by e.m.c^42 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:16 pm

Jamie is different this game but I haven't a clue whether it's due to his alignment or due to the fact that his period of sobriety is apparently over, lol

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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix

#2500 Post by ghug » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:18 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:41 pm
ghug wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:29 pm

What do you make of there being much more of that day 1 than day 3?

Fox, same question.
I am not sure. Do you have a view, since you scum-read Foxcastle?
I could spin it as scummy, but that'd probably be more confbias than anything. I'd like to hear Fox answer though.

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