Mafia 57 Matrix

[TheFlyingBoat]

@TFB you’ve still only asserted that it’s clear I was wrong about strategy for town and virus. And that evidence has shown it. What evidence?

My evidence were the killing patterns. I'm still not sold on the Chaqa one being a coordinated one by the virus in favor of town vs other popular scum reads of the time, but w/e. I am not sold on the idea the virus is currently working with the town nor that it would be optimal behavior for the virus.

[e.m.c^42]

Ayy, hello all, despite some mediocre attempts EMC is still alive!

[BunnyGo]

@TFB you’ve still only asserted that it’s clear I was wrong about strategy for town and virus. And that evidence has shown it. What evidence?

This circular argument you are having is becoming very tedious.

It’s no argument. He won’t respond.

[Jamiet99uk]

So you don’t buy the townslip by therul?

I am not used to being told that you were blocked when you don't have a role to block. You would not know you were blocked. It does not make sense to me.
But as he is dead, I ma a dolt. :D

Traditionally the roleblocker role, if not factional, is "hooker".

If you are visited by a hooker, you'll know about it, whether or not you had any other plans that evening.

[Jamiet99uk]

@TFB you’ve still only asserted that it’s clear I was wrong about strategy for town and virus. And that evidence has shown it. What evidence?

This circular argument you are having is becoming very tedious.

It’s no argument. He won’t respond.

Ok then it is becoming very tedious watching you repeat yourself over and over.

[e.m.c^42]

Placeholder ##vote e.m.c just in case, gonna catch up quick, @me with important stuff I've missed question or otherwise :D

[Foxcastle]

Placeholder ##vote e.m.c just in case, gonna catch up quick, @me with important stuff I've missed question or otherwise :D

Are you even looking at the vote? Why are you making it easier to lynch you?

[e.m.c^42]

Placeholder ##vote e.m.c just in case, gonna catch up quick, @me with important stuff I've missed question or otherwise :D

Are you even looking at the vote? Why are you making it easier to lynch you?

Haven't checked the bot yet, no, am I a wagon or something?

[e.m.c^42]

Ah shit, oops lmao

[therul]

I am just going to stay unvoted
##unvote
I am too confused right now. And we just got a new employee, so I will not be back for a bit, and I have a lot to read and go over again.

[BunnyGo]

You were right Damo.

I keep being proved wrong this game.

[BunnyGo]

I am just going to stay unvoted
##unvote
I am too confused right now. And we just got a new employee, so I will not be back for a bit, and I have a lot to read and go over again.

Don’t finish the day on unvote. Better to leave any vote if you may miss EOD.

[therul]

##vote Bismark
I don't feel emc, but he is voting for himself,

[Foxcastle]

I am just going to stay unvoted
##unvote
I am too confused right now. And we just got a new employee, so I will not be back for a bit, and I have a lot to read and go over again.

You don't have any scumreads? Even if you don't want to vote for one of the main wagons, you could at least push a scum read even if it ends up being. alone wagon.

[goldfinger0303]

Ayyyy emc is back. Welcome

##vote emc

[e.m.c^42]

Okay, someone let me know, what's the case on me?

[BunnyGo]

Okay, someone let me know, what's the case on me?

I think it's a mix of information (if you're scum they think I knowingly saved you)
They can't believe there were no scum wagons day 1
We're all tired of wondering when you'll contribute and when you'll get modkilled

Did I miss anything?

[therul]

I am just going to stay unvoted
##unvote
I am too confused right now. And we just got a new employee, so I will not be back for a bit, and I have a lot to read and go over again.

You don't have any scumreads? Even if you don't want to vote for one of the main wagons, you could at least push a scum read even if it ends up being. alone wagon.

Bismark is my only scumread at the moment. But I just don't have enough to go on, or the time to push. It is only a gut thing at this moment.

[Hellenic Riot]

In terms of today, this new activity from TFB has a recurring pattern. Of his six scumreads he's given today, five of them have been justified by "voting behaviour". Ok, cool.


But at no point have *any* of those apparently scummy voting behaviours actually been explained. It's just a catch-all term to avoid further needling. So TFB, can you explain what's so bad about the voting behaviour of Bunny, Myself, emc, rdrivera, and Bismarck? Because tarring ~1/3 of all the remaining players as scum based on 'voting behaviour' that you never delve into is pretty damn lightweight. What exactly is so bad about all our votes? Where is the analysis that makes these votes bad but other people's votes good? It certainly isn't just based on timing of votes at EoD because there's a lot of other people who voted around then who are not on said scumreads.

I mean ~1/3 of all remaining players is scum, so it stands to reason that I tar ~1/3 of all remaining players.

Obviously, most of it is based on voting behavior as today is the only real day of discussion following revelation of identities by the GM/mechs as D1 is D1 and D2 was a hammer on the miller.

The Bunny/EMC duo is the most obvious. A flip from one wagon to another to ensure one dies and the other lives as the last vote before EOD is highly suspect sans strong reasoning. To flip after having flipped five minutes earlier is even more suspect. My thought is that Bunny assumed with five minutes to go one of damo/flash dying was guaranteed. After all, at the time emc only had Jamie's vote on him. It wouldn't be a lone wagon that would draw much suspicion and would allow him to drop a meaningless vote on a non-townie (aka fellow scum) on D1. Unfortunately for him things turned awry very, very quickly as within the span of a minute or so three votes come flying in on him, turning emc from not even in the top 4 that show up in the bot to suddenly being tied for the primary town target. One more minute later and ghug switching off damo to sum makes emc the sole primary target of the town. Bunny switches his vote to save his fellow scum mate.

That leaves three.

After writing why I thought you were scum, I realized that if I assume Tom is scum based on his defense of you that would make 4 scum votes on flash which doesn't make much sense to me. I'll have to revisit this one. I think there are likely 2 and at most 3 on Flash's wagon so I'll need to rethink if you two are tied at the hip and if either of you are scum.

As for rdr/Bis, my view is that one scum was likely on this wagon. With two town by PoE one of those two had to be scum if the assumption holds. It's not guaranteed but I think it's reasonable to believe that at least one scum was on what was the largest wagon against a townie until 4 minutes before end.

I'll probably look at summit's wagon and see if I think anyone is scum there for a new read.

Alright, that's a better explanation. I notice that you comment on how emc's wagon blew up out of nowhere but do no further analysis on that though - What do you think happened there? Does that not strike you as remotely odd?

[goldfinger0303]

Okay, someone let me know, what's the case on me?

I think it's a mix of information (if you're scum they think I knowingly saved you)
They can't believe there were no scum wagons day 1
We're all tired of wondering when you'll contribute and when you'll get modkilled

Did I miss anything?

Yes his responses to my Q&A session were lukewarm at best and did not remotely make me think he was town