Mafia 57 Matrix

[BunnyGo]

I notice that EMC has not posted at all.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If he gets removed from this game he should be banned from the next game, and if the GM of that game does *not* ban him, he will be excluded from the next game that I run.

This is happening to often.

Can someone explain the case on Bismarck?

Ignorance beyond belief.

Impressively he’s doubled down on it so hard and indignantly I’m now starting to town read him.

[BunnyGo]

And I totally agree re: EMC. Fooled me twice now. Shame on me.

[Jamiet99uk]

I notice that EMC has not posted at all.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If he gets removed from this game he should be banned from the next game, and if the GM of that game does *not* ban him, he will be excluded from the next game that I run.

This is happening to often.

Can someone explain the case on Bismarck?

Ignorance beyond belief.

Impressively he’s doubled down on it so hard and indignantly I’m now starting to town read him.

I will go back and read, but could you elaborate?

[BunnyGo]

I notice that EMC has not posted at all.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If he gets removed from this game he should be banned from the next game, and if the GM of that game does *not* ban him, he will be excluded from the next game that I run.

This is happening to often.

Can someone explain the case on Bismarck?

Ignorance beyond belief.

Impressively he’s doubled down on it so hard and indignantly I’m now starting to town read him.

I will go back and read, but could you elaborate?

So he knew there were 5 scum at start, and bozo called him on it. He then said he read it in early game. But it wasn’t there either. So then said he figured it out from pregame.

Then disappears for a while.

Then suggests worcej lied about RB to draw the NK.

Yup. That was his suggestion.

I pointed out only scum would think this could work because only scum would know they actually RBd him.

But then he just didn’t get it. For like a long while. Poor guy must have been really tired or something.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I notice that EMC has not posted at all.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If he gets removed from this game he should be banned from the next game, and if the GM of that game does *not* ban him, he will be excluded from the next game that I run.

This is happening to often.

Can someone explain the case on Bismarck?

I'm assuming it's partially based on voting behavior at the minimum assuming one scum is on the damo wagon day 1 and that we have two confirmed town by GM on it, so either rdr or Bis is scum. Then Bunny claimed earlier in this thread that he had scum reads based on some contradictions which he can explain here if he would like so that I don't have to go searching through his 1000 spam posts for the 5 useful ones.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Oh nice bunny already explained so I don't have to look.

[BunnyGo]

Oh nice bunny already explained so I don't have to look.

And yes. Day 1 voting too. Forgot that part.

[BunnyGo]

@ghug do you understand what TFB is saying about shown to be inaccurate?

[BunnyGo]

@ghug do you understand what TFB is saying about shown to be inaccurate?

Because I think he’s exhibiting the Fox-like zeroing in behavior you’re describing but with fewer towny feelings.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it is now obvious Worcej lied about being roleblocked? The GMs would not tell you that an action failed against you, surely? I would believe that, thinking Worcej sacrificed himself to draw the mafia kill.

If the Roleblock is directed against someone with no action, that is not a "fail" unless the Roleblocker is somehow prevented from getting through. You can be roleblocked whether you actually had an action or not. That's the convention here.

I see no reason to assume Worcej lied.

OK! So, what you are saying is: Worcej is VT. Worcej gets roleblocked. Worcej gets a PM from GM overnight saying "You were roleblocked"? Wow! That surprises me, but I have only played a few games here...

Yes that is 100% exactly what would happen, you've got it.

If a VT is Roleblocked, the convention here on webDip is that they DO get a notification.

[TheFlyingBoat]

@ghug do you understand what TFB is saying about shown to be inaccurate?

To clarify if isn't clear I'm saying it's been shown that this virus at the very least seems convinced his best bet isn't coordinating with us which makes sense to me and I'm not convinced attempting to invite the virus on to the NEB was ever to our advantage. I find this pushing for the masons to find and invite the virus to be scummy considering how counterproductive it would be. Granted that's not enough alone as this set-up can confuse people. Combined with the voting behavior on Day 1 (pretty much enough for me to view you as scum alone) and the fact you seem to have tried to analyze the set-up heavily I'm pretty convinced you are scum.

[BunnyGo]

You keep saying “it’s been shown” or “has been seen to be inaccurate “. How? What evidence?

[BunnyGo]

It’s one thing to say that my thinking about the game ahead of time didn’t hold up when the actual game started. I’m willing to be wrong (if I never were, games wouldn’t be interesting). But I don’t see what evidence you have.

[BunnyGo]

What do you think @ghug?

[damo666]

Scum know whether or not they RBd worcej.

I don't see why worcej claiming having been RB'd gives scum any particular motivation to kill him either way, RBd or not.

I disagree, I think it is nothing more than a way for scum to say, hey look, I am town.

No one else has stated that they have been role blocked have they? (I could have missed that)
##vote worcej
If I could vote for 2 right now I would

WHAT?

[Jamiet99uk]

Voting for dead players is not useful.

[damo666]

I disagree, I think it is nothing more than a way for scum to say, hey look, I am town.

No one else has stated that they have been role blocked have they? (I could have missed that)
##vote worcej
If I could vote for 2 right now I would

This is bizarre. I am wondering if he didn't even tried to look at what happened before voting or if he is just mocking us or whatever.

Yeah - this quote by damo is bonkers. Worcej was softcleared by rb.

the quote by ME is bonkers?

[Hellenic Riot]

In terms of today, this new activity from TFB has a recurring pattern. Of his six scumreads he's given today, five of them have been justified by "voting behaviour". Ok, cool.


But at no point have *any* of those apparently scummy voting behaviours actually been explained. It's just a catch-all term to avoid further needling. So TFB, can you explain what's so bad about the voting behaviour of Bunny, Myself, emc, rdrivera, and Bismarck? Because tarring ~1/3 of all the remaining players as scum based on 'voting behaviour' that you never delve into is pretty damn lightweight. What exactly is so bad about all our votes? Where is the analysis that makes these votes bad but other people's votes good? It certainly isn't just based on timing of votes at EoD because there's a lot of other people who voted around then who are not on said scumreads.

[ghug]

@ghug do you understand what TFB is saying about shown to be inaccurate?

To clarify if isn't clear I'm saying it's been shown that this virus at the very least seems convinced his best bet isn't coordinating with us which makes sense to me and I'm not convinced attempting to invite the virus on to the NEB was ever to our advantage. I find this pushing for the masons to find and invite the virus to be scummy considering how counterproductive it would be. Granted that's not enough alone as this set-up can confuse people. Combined with the voting behavior on Day 1 (pretty much enough for me to view you as scum alone) and the fact you seem to have tried to analyze the set-up heavily I'm pretty convinced you are scum.

Why do you assume the virus hasn't been targeting their (or the neb folks') scumreads?

[Foxcastle]

Good morning. I'd like to request a prohibition on bo and Bunny talking because Jesus Christ

Tom, I think you're lost and frustrated that I'm not less lost and able to direct you. I think not knowing where I stand on things is on you though. If you'd like me to lead you, vote Fox. His reaction to damo's claim was inorganic and his play feels unmotivated.

I think Nanook's reaction to the onslaught of worst is pretty towny. Also inclined to not lynch Bismarck today given his response, but less strongly. That leads me to townreading to some extent everyone except emc, Fox, Temasek, rdrivera, FlyingBoat, and therul. That's a pretty small and lurker-heavy list, so I'm probably wrong. Best bets there are Bismarck, Brian, Tom, HR. If I can't have Fox today, I think I'd like emc.

Did you not read Fox as just triggered by me and tunneling?

##UNVOTE

Actually, I am willing to admit to possibly being wrong about Bunny. There is just something about your post style this game that just screams scummy to me Bunny. And your EOD1 switch looked terrible. But I went back and skimmed your posts from your M54 scum game, and... this is not that.