Mafia 57 Matrix

[Hamilton Brian]

@goldfinger3030, I am going to go back in the threads to see if you clearly indicate why you feel BunnyGo and Jamie are 2 of your top 3 townreads.

I clearly listed they were my top town reads. I never eliquated why I felt that way on Jamiet, but all of his posts around the chosen one stuff were very townish to me and a lot of others.

Eliquate. Nice word. Thanks for your clarity. I'll go back to their posts about chosen one and re-read them. The townish part is still mystifying me. I'm not trying to be insensitive here. If I'm still stuck, I'll ask.

[BunnyGo]

Having read EOD, I really dislike Bunny play at it. He jumped in a summit wagon as soon as it formed and his vote on Flash out of the blue after pushing that emc is a good lynch even if he is town doesn't make any sense.
The resistance to a Damo wagon reinforces my read on him, but I might be tunneling.

Taking this a bit further, early on Bunny alluded to Damo possibly being town because they were "role-playing." Emphasized that Damo plays disinterested when scum (that was the main basis for them reading Damo as town).

So it goes back to those voters. Why did they think Damo was scum? Do they continue to stand by that assertion? Does this implicate BunnyGo if the answer remains yes?

What would "implicate" me if I disagreed with other people about their reads? Lot's of people strongly stated I was town. If I turned out to be scum (I'm not) would that "implicate" them? Town is wrong a lot. *I'm* wrong a lot. I think you're missing how good an EOD this was:

1) We didn't kill scum--happens, would have been better
2) We didn't kill/force a claim on a PR--this is good
3) We had ZERO movement for a long time at EOD, then lots of it. This was INTERESTING.

Yes, my movement was interesting as part of that. If you can't follow my BON comments already answering that, then read them again and explain why.

Look at the other movement and non-movement too. There's a lot here. There will be a METRIC TONNE when we get a scum flip.

[goldfinger0303]

@Bunny - who are you going to open the day voting against?

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny - who are you going to open the day voting against?

Dunno who will be around then.

[Tom Bombadil]

What a careful response that is.

[Hamilton Brian]

This does kick the pants off a small 9-person game.

[BunnyGo]

What a careful response that is.

Honest response. And even moreso, the flips really matter for my decision.

[Tom Bombadil]

What a careful response that is.

Honest response. And even moreso, the flips really matter for my decision.

If you could vote right now who would you vote for?

[bozotheclown]

Rereading EOD, I get the feeling that damo and BunnyGo are town. A few players have said that BunnyGo's last minute vote for flash was suspicious, but that only makes sense if BunnyGo and emc are both scum, and I do not think BunnyGo would make a blatant move to save emc if that were the case, especially after bussing him all day. If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

I think summit is probably town also, but I do not know about emc. emc's vote switch from summit to flash looks suspicious to me considering emc started summit's wagon. If all of the top wagons were town at that point, emc may have wanted to get off summit's wagon when it looked like summit might be the kill, and emc tried hard to defend the switch when he was pressed on it.

[ghug]

What a careful response that is.

Tom, how's goat girl?

[ghug]

Rereading EOD, I get the feeling that damo and BunnyGo are town. A few players have said that BunnyGo's last minute vote for flash was suspicious, but that only makes sense if BunnyGo and emc are both scum, and I do not think BunnyGo would make a blatant move to save emc if that were the case, especially after bussing him all day. If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

I think summit is probably town also, but I do not know about emc. emc's vote switch from summit to flash looks suspicious to me considering emc started summit's wagon. If all of the top wagons were town at that point, emc may have wanted to get off summit's wagon when it looked like summit might be the kill, and emc tried hard to defend the switch when he was pressed on it.

First paragraph is really good. Second paragraph has a solid premise but terrible reasoning.

[bozotheclown]

Final Votecount for Day 1

flash2015 (5): Tom Bombadil, summit_fever, e.m.c^42, HellenicRiot, BunnyGo
e.m.c^42 (4): Jamiet99uk, damo666, flash, goldfinger0303
damo666 (4): DemonRHK, rdrivera2005, bozotheclown, BismarckAlive
BunnyGo (3): bo_sox48, Foxcastle, Hamilton Brian
summit_fever (3): Nanook, therul, ghug
bozotheclown (1): TheFlyingBoat
ghug (1): Chaqa
goldfinger0303: (1) worcej

Message me quick if you see something wrong. Flash2015 was killed

If emc is mafia, I think he may have been the only mafia to have votes at EOD. If this is the case, my guess for the mafia team is emc, Bismarck, one of the BunnyGo voters, and 2 from Nanook, TFB, Chaqa, worcej, Temasek.

[Tom Bombadil]

What a careful response that is.

Tom, how's goat girl?

Goat girl is doing great. Thanks.

[bozotheclown]

Rereading EOD, I get the feeling that damo and BunnyGo are town. A few players have said that BunnyGo's last minute vote for flash was suspicious, but that only makes sense if BunnyGo and emc are both scum, and I do not think BunnyGo would make a blatant move to save emc if that were the case, especially after bussing him all day. If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

I think summit is probably town also, but I do not know about emc. emc's vote switch from summit to flash looks suspicious to me considering emc started summit's wagon. If all of the top wagons were town at that point, emc may have wanted to get off summit's wagon when it looked like summit might be the kill, and emc tried hard to defend the switch when he was pressed on it.

First paragraph is really good. Second paragraph has a solid premise but terrible reasoning.

So you think emc may be scum but do not think his vote switch from summit to flash is scum motivated?

[Hamilton Brian]

If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

@BozotheClown, I'll follow along with your reasoning about Bunny and Damo. I feel like it makes sense in the immediate term.

Suppose Damo is correct about there being scum on their wagon, why might you think it's Bismarck?

[bozotheclown]

If damo is right about there being scum on his wagon, it is probably Bismarck.

@BozotheClown, I'll follow along with your reasoning about Bunny and Damo. I feel like it makes sense in the immediate term.

Suppose Damo is correct about there being scum on their wagon, why might you think it's Bismarck?

Hi Bismark. I see you here. Any comments on why you thought there were 5 scum?

Hi BunnyGo,

It was clear in the signup thread, that Flum had pre-determined the splits according to how many players there were. From memory of that thread, if there were 17 players (the minimum I presume) then there were to be 3 scum and 1 3P, rising to 5 scum and 1 3P if there were 23 players (the maximum I also presume). So, since the Matrix materialised with 23 players, I simply remembered that thread. I also noticed that the numbers hadn't been updated by Flum in his flavour post, but others had already commented on that by the time I joined the thread on page 8.

I could not find where anyone commented on the error in the setup in the first 8 pages, so it is not clear to me why Bismarck said this.

[Hamilton Brian]

If emc is mafia, I think he may have been the only mafia to have votes at EOD. If this is the case, my guess for the mafia team is emc, Bismarck, one of the BunnyGo voters, and 2 from Nanook, TFB, Chaqa, worcej, Temasek.

I am assuming you're basing this off of the vote count and emc needs to be mafia for the rest of your statement to be true? You've already suggested why you think Bismarck is scum (and thanks for that). Why would one of the BunnyGo voters have to be scum? Could not there be 3 among the last 5 you listed? I appreciate the time you're taking to respond to this.

[Fluminator]

##CALL GM

what's going to happen to the MaccaSek slot?

Temasek was a replacement so I'll give a bit of leeway to missing the first day.

[e.m.c^42]

@emc, after the vote, have you had a change in opinion on any of your reads? What do you make of your wagon that reduced just in time for your safety?

I will get back to you on the first part, and glad about the second although I find it interesting.

[e.m.c^42]

I think summit is probably town also, but I do not know about emc. emc's vote switch from summit to flash looks suspicious to me considering emc started summit's wagon. If all of the top wagons were town at that point, emc may have wanted to get off summit's wagon when it looked like summit might be the kill, and emc tried hard to defend the switch when he was pressed on it.

I don't think I quite understand the reasoning here. As in, why would I get off of summit's wagon as scum, if he's town?