Mafia 57 Matrix

[goldfinger0303]

##VOTE summit fever

Ties are bad

You're concerned about a tie three hours out?

I’d like to see how people react to it yeah

That's a pretty terrible excuse. I don't like it when people do scummy looking things and then brush it off as a reaction test after they're called out on it.

[goldfinger0303]

Let's get some other people involved though

@Temasek - hello! I do hope you can join us in time to vote

@Chaqa - I don't think ghug will happen. Who are you considering voting for?

@Hamilton - you've been on the sidelines the whole day. It's time you voted

[Nanook]

You're concerned about a tie three hours out?

I’d like to see how people react to it yeah

That's a pretty terrible excuse. I don't like it when people do scummy looking things and then brush it off as a reaction test after they're called out on it.

I don’t much care what you like

[Foxcastle]

Tom's post struck me as odd when I read it, so I said so. People jumped onto it defending him, which seemed odd to me, and Tom is certainly a good enough player to do something like that. This is the same guy who fake claimed a scan to get a scumread shot, after all.

I can't speak to other things he's done, as I haven't read through the beginning of the day yet.

I've already put my opinion on this out there, but I will say that I agree that I found it to be out of character coming from Tom.

Can you expand on why you think it’s out of character? Is this purely anecdotal? Or a hunch? Or what?

I speculate all the time about people subbing out. I’m not sure how you reached the conclusion that it is “out of character”

Seems like a hollow read fabricated just to post some sort of read.

Well, my actual read is that it points to you being town, so the aspersion there seems unnecessary.

I suppose anecdotal is the answer. I just don't think that speculating on out-of-game information that can't be proved or questioning GM information is in character for you. I don't have a strong basis for it, though, and don't particularly remember you commenting on previous subs (which isn't to say you haven't, of course).

[Hellenic Riot]

I’d like to see how people react to it yeah

That's a pretty terrible excuse. I don't like it when people do scummy looking things and then brush it off as a reaction test after they're called out on it.

I don’t much care what you like

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

[Nanook]

That's a pretty terrible excuse. I don't like it when people do scummy looking things and then brush it off as a reaction test after they're called out on it.

I don’t much care what you like

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

Welp, that’s unfortunate. Generally you can sometimes get reads off how people react to ties being broken. Unfortunate it applies everywhere else but apparently doesn’t here. Very sad.


Bunny, rdrivera both slightly >rand scum imo. I don’t have high confidence in my reads.

[Chaqa]

Let's get some other people involved though

@Temasek - hello! I do hope you can join us in time to vote

@Chaqa - I don't think ghug will happen. Who are you considering voting for?

@Hamilton - you've been on the sidelines the whole day. It's time you voted

I may just self-vote as an "abstain" of sorts. I haven't been able to read yet and won't until like 5:30 or so.

[rdrivera2005]

I don’t much care what you like

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

Welp, that’s unfortunate. Generally you can sometimes get reads off how people react to ties being broken. Unfortunate it applies everywhere else but apparently doesn’t here. Very sad.


Bunny, rdrivera both slightly >rand scum imo. I don’t have high confidence in my reads.

People usually react to ties and unties but closer to EOD.
Why you are hedging on your reads? Who do you townread?

[Hellenic Riot]

I don’t much care what you like

If you're expecting people to react to the prospect of a tie, you're shit out of luck though. Last game there was a tie with 1 minute remaining of the D1 phase and only one person changed vote.

What are your actual reads, Nanook?

Welp, that’s unfortunate. Generally you can sometimes get reads off how people react to ties being broken. Unfortunate it applies everywhere else but apparently doesn’t here. Very sad.


Bunny, rdrivera both slightly >rand scum imo. I don’t have high confidence in my reads.

Certainly there were reactions to it, but it'd have to be far closer to EoD for people to actually think a tie might happen.

As for your scumreads - A Bunny wagon is very viable given the current vote spread and the fact two people are on it, and quite a few people are scumreading rdrivera, so it seems like you're certainly in a position to push for either of your favoured wagons instead of parking a reaction vote on someone you seemingly don't even believe is scum.

What do you think about BismarckAlive?

[goldfinger0303]

@Nanook - we still care. But only if you break a tie in the last ~hour or so. Half the people haven't updated their votes in the better part of a day and still have nonsense votes up.

...Or had time to process the explosion of the summit wagon when I'm still not sure how to view that whole thing

[rdrivera2005]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

[therul]

##vote summit
Following the white rabbit (not a claim)
I am not normally a follower, but I need a start.

[therul]

ing place

[therul]

I just picked up a 3 hour warning... Do we actually have an actual deadline?

[summit_fever]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I'm feeling good about Jamie/goldfinger/Tom.
Bismarck and flash are my top scumreads. I also think somebody is powerwolfing. ghug was looking like a good choice but Bunny is also a possibility.

Tom is correct there is a non-zero chance that Maccasek's slot flips scum, but given what I've seen of Macca I think rolling scum with a daychat would have been enjoyable for them.

[summit_fever]

##vote summit
Following the white rabbit (not a claim)
I am not normally a follower, but I need a start.

Is there a reason you think I'm scum?

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I mean I've been pushing him for quite a while and other than summit, nobody else has joined. And the second that summit did, a bunch of people voted him. Is Bismarck really that easy a push?

[rdrivera2005]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I'm feeling good about Jamie/goldfinger/Tom.
Bismarck and flash are my top scumreads. I also think somebody is powerwolfing. ghug was looking like a good choice but Bunny is also a possibility.

Tom is correct there is a non-zero chance that Maccasek's slot flips scum, but given what I've seen of Macca I think rolling scum with a daychat would have been enjoyable for them.

I understand Tom point of view but I think Macca will not quit just for rolling scum. He seems eager to improve after last game.

Agree about Tom/Jamiet. Don't you think Goldie could be powerwolfing (if I understood right your use of this word).

[summit_fever]

##vote bismarck

Bismarck has provided no scumreads. He normally has strong and early opinions and this day should be producing those in spades.

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I mean I've been pushing him for quite a while and other than summit, nobody else has joined. And the second that summit did, a bunch of people voted him. Is Bismarck really that easy a push?

Bismarck was miskilled on day 2 of M55. He had a very low number of posts.

[Hellenic Riot]

This post gives me strange mixed feelings. On one side Bismarck have been scummy compared to his town game on the other side he is an easy pick, with HR already pushing him. Humm.

@summit - Can you give other reads?

I mean I've been pushing him for quite a while and other than summit, nobody else has joined. And the second that summit did, a bunch of people voted him. Is Bismarck really that easy a push?

Bismarck was miskilled on day 2 of M55. He had a very low number of posts.

I wasn't in M55, but I tend to rate the ease of a wagon on how many people will consider flipping to it - And there's certainly been very few signs of people being happy to join this one.