M1012 Redux

[Jamiet99uk]

@Summit: You have also had almost nothing to contribute today. You hardly said anything last night either?

Today you have questioned Rdrivera a little bit but not indicated where your suspicions lie apart from that. Yesterday you voted Hamilton Brian for a long part of the day before going between Vecna and Flash in the latter part of day.

Do you still suspect Hamilton Brian?

Why are you lurking?

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE SUMMIT_FEVER

[Durga]

##vote summit

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote summit

Do you no longer suspect Hamilton Brian?

You have been very willing to move your vote today, Durga.

[bozotheclown]

Could you list some of the reasons or at least what you think is most likely?

The mafia may have thought he was the cop, because he is a good player, because his reads were good, to freeze his reads because he was misreading the second scum, I don't know what is most likely.

Here is the point that make me vote on you instead of HB. First reason you point is the only one that really makes sense. Mafia need to kill the Cop or his chances are really low. I was expecting you to point that as you are usually focused on mechanics. I think HB would have gone for the obvious kill on the town clear Jamiet.

So you think the only possible reason Vecna was the NK is because the scum thought he was the cop?

[bozotheclown]

I think this might be a long post as I need to keep going back to different posts to respond.

1)First off, this has been an exercise. So for those of you that have the capacity to get involved in larger games and put the effort it, I am impressed.

2)I had to look up "crumbing." No, I didn't pick up that Jamie was "crumbing doctor." That's a nuance I didn't think of.

3) Yesterday's whatever-to-call-it on my part was ludicrous. There's a couple of ways of dealing with it, though. Pass it off as regrettable, punch me in the shoulder and yell, "Do better next time!" Or, lynch me tonight. I didn't say it before explicitly before. However, I didn't have to. My behaviour said it loud and clear. I think Durga is noticeably annoyed enough to vote to lynch me. It's the follow-up vote that interests me. The other player under equal suspicion is Bozo. They didn't wait a moment to get on the HB wagon.

4) So yesterday I looked at the last minutes of the vote. From what I've been reading, vote counts aren't the BEST determiner of motive, but they're something. It's the best thing I have in my arsenal right now. I read through the thread and documented the quick changes that were happening. I noted 4 votes for Flash from 9:57 to 9:58. There were some notable changes off of Flash over the last minute...Vecna, Summit, Rdrivera. Something I should have asked yesterday is "Why did you move that vote off?" I'm still interested, but I am most interested in the very final vote cast for Flash. That was by Bozo. They moved from Vecna to Flash.

5) In a post time-stamped 2:53am, Bozo goes at length to dig into events from the previous game, but then also the first day vote from this game to document the chatter during the vote. I paid attention to it but I was more interested in who moved when. My gut on this, because I know I am town, is that Bozo is trying to contribute to an iron-clad case against me. Lynch the townie, and it gives mafia at least one more night kill, bringing them closer to winning the game.

##VOTE BOZO

Saying I was the last vote for flash is an odd reason to scum read me considering you voted for flash within the same minute as reported by the bot. So, you are basically saying I am scum for doing exactly what you did. Why did you vote for flash at that exact time?

[Durga]

##vote summit

Do you no longer suspect Hamilton Brian?

You have been very willing to move your vote today, Durga.

What is with you? I'm trying to gather as much information as possible. I don't know who the final scum is and I'm liking what I'm seeing out of HB and Bozo.

[Durga]

I see emc lurking. Maybe he's just the last scum

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote summit

Do you no longer suspect Hamilton Brian?

You have been very willing to move your vote today, Durga.

What is with you? I'm trying to gather as much information as possible. I don't know who the final scum is and I'm liking what I'm seeing out of HB and Bozo.

What is with me, is that I'm also trying to gather information.

I now have the information that you have totally changed your mind about HB who you seemed pretty sure was noob scum earlier today.

What exactly has caused you to change your mind about HB?

What information do you hope to gather about Summit, by voting him but not making any comments about him or asking him any questions? Prior to your vote your only comment about Summit all day today was that he "was actively trying" D1 and was thus a bad wagon then.

[Jamiet99uk]

Durga,

Here was your last mention of HB, who you were voting for:

I'm trying to see a way for HB to be town but I'm really failing. Maybe he's the best lynch I'm not hating what I'm seeing out of Bozo today.

After that post of yours, Hamilton Brian made exactly one additional post, which was this one:

I think this might be a long post as I need to keep going back to different posts to respond.

1)First off, this has been an exercise. So for those of you that have the capacity to get involved in larger games and put the effort it, I am impressed.

2)I had to look up "crumbing." No, I didn't pick up that Jamie was "crumbing doctor." That's a nuance I didn't think of.

3) Yesterday's whatever-to-call-it on my part was ludicrous. There's a couple of ways of dealing with it, though. Pass it off as regrettable, punch me in the shoulder and yell, "Do better next time!" Or, lynch me tonight. I didn't say it before explicitly before. However, I didn't have to. My behaviour said it loud and clear. I think Durga is noticeably annoyed enough to vote to lynch me. It's the follow-up vote that interests me. The other player under equal suspicion is Bozo. They didn't wait a moment to get on the HB wagon.

4) So yesterday I looked at the last minutes of the vote. From what I've been reading, vote counts aren't the BEST determiner of motive, but they're something. It's the best thing I have in my arsenal right now. I read through the thread and documented the quick changes that were happening. I noted 4 votes for Flash from 9:57 to 9:58. There were some notable changes off of Flash over the last minute...Vecna, Summit, Rdrivera. Something I should have asked yesterday is "Why did you move that vote off?" I'm still interested, but I am most interested in the very final vote cast for Flash. That was by Bozo. They moved from Vecna to Flash.

5) In a post time-stamped 2:53am, Bozo goes at length to dig into events from the previous game, but then also the first day vote from this game to document the chatter during the vote. I paid attention to it but I was more interested in who moved when. My gut on this, because I know I am town, is that Bozo is trying to contribute to an iron-clad case against me. Lynch the townie, and it gives mafia at least one more night kill, bringing them closer to winning the game.

##VOTE BOZO

There for it must be this post, in particular, that made you go from scumreading HB and wanting to lynch him, to this:

I'm liking what I'm seeing out of HB and Bozo.

Could you talk us through what it was you loved so much about that one post?

[Jamiet99uk]

*therefore

[Hamilton Brian]

Saying I was the last vote for flash is an odd reason to scum read me considering you voted for flash within the same minute as reported by the bot. So, you are basically saying I am scum for doing exactly what you did. Why did you vote for flash at that exact time?

Let me be very clear with my words since my habit of rambling and thinking aloud has gotten me in shit.

My vote for Flash happened when I questioned my vote for Vecna and the wagon was happening for Flash. Vecna pointed out that my vote for them was based on someone else's assertion that they were pocketing me, when instead they insisted on a good read. In the heat of the moment it made sense for me to take my vote off Vecna. It could have easily gone back to you, to Summit, almost anyone else.

My read of everyone's chats are crap so the vote is the only somewhat substantial piece I have. I know it's not strong logic but I think as the votes became obvious that Flash was going to be lynched, you hopped on. You weren't the only one (your vote was going to be the 6th in favour if I'm reading the record properly).

[Durga]

So emc actually didn't post after lurking. What do we do about this?

[bozotheclown]

Saying I was the last vote for flash is an odd reason to scum read me considering you voted for flash within the same minute as reported by the bot. So, you are basically saying I am scum for doing exactly what you did. Why did you vote for flash at that exact time?

Let me be very clear with my words since my habit of rambling and thinking aloud has gotten me in shit.

My vote for Flash happened when I questioned my vote for Vecna and the wagon was happening for Flash. Vecna pointed out that my vote for them was based on someone else's assertion that they were pocketing me, when instead they insisted on a good read. In the heat of the moment it made sense for me to take my vote off Vecna. It could have easily gone back to you, to Summit, almost anyone else.

My read of everyone's chats are crap so the vote is the only somewhat substantial piece I have. I know it's not strong logic but I think as the votes became obvious that Flash was going to be lynched, you hopped on. You weren't the only one (your vote was going to be the 6th in favour if I'm reading the record properly).

I did not see your vote for flash or Vecna's final vote for flash before I voted for flash, so our votes all came very close to each other. Just looking at the vote ordering on the bot, summit and rdrivera are the ones who voted for flash when it "became obvious" flash would be the kill.

[Jamiet99uk]

So emc actually didn't post after lurking. What do we do about this?

We wait 4.5 hours.

You aren't answering my questions about Hamilton Brian and Summit. What do we do about this?

[summit_fever]

@Summit: You have also had almost nothing to contribute today. You hardly said anything last night either?

Today you have questioned Rdrivera a little bit but not indicated where your suspicions lie apart from that. Yesterday you voted Hamilton Brian for a long part of the day before going between Vecna and Flash in the latter part of day.

Do you still suspect Hamilton Brian?

Why are you lurking?

Yeah I'll be around today through end-of-day.

Rivera and Bozo looks town v town to me.

Durga would have to be bussing flash and then directly calling for a cop claim as scum.

emc...

Yes I still think Brian is scummy. The return of "where am I?" Brian. The poor excuse for believing a nighttime post was inappropriate. This belief didn't stop Brian from posting after the bell at the end of day 1.

The nightkill of Vecna would make sense as Vecna was open about townreading Brian. Perhaps Brian thought this could make himself look good.

I don't know if anybody else would come to the conclusion that leaving the townclear alive for day 2 was worth trying to find the cop or sowing confusion.

##vote hamilton

[Durga]

Summit, do you think HB is crafty enough to NK Vecna who was town reading him? I actually didn't realize Vecna was town reading HB after EoD.

[summit_fever]

Summit, do you think HB is crafty enough to NK Vecna who was town reading him? I actually didn't realize Vecna was town reading HB after EoD.

Good question. I don't know. I think he's the only player that could potentially not understand jamie needed to be killed night 1.

At night Vecna seemed confident Bozo was the last scum and Brian is trying to get that wagon going.

[Durga]

Summit, do you think HB is crafty enough to NK Vecna who was town reading him? I actually didn't realize Vecna was town reading HB after EoD.

Good question. I don't know. I think he's the only player that could potentially not understand jamie needed to be killed night 1.

At night Vecna seemed confident Bozo was the last scum and Brian is trying to get that wagon going.

I'm not sure if the first part is true. I don't think I would have killed Jamie either.

The second point makes some degree of sense. But it's also not unreasonable to just be scum reading Bozo if you're town.

[Durga]

My big issue with HB is waiting till after EON to post a post that should clearly have been posted at night. I can't understand why someone would say they think Vecna is town AFTER Vecna has already flipped town. It's weird af but town players do weird stuff all the time so agh!! I need to go reread day one I think but l don't know if I'll have time to.