Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[bozotheclown]

We had a D1 massclaim in the Parliament game, which ultimately broke the game.

I was in the Mafia team in that game. It broke the game in town's favor. You can say it break the game but not that it's bad for town, it makes no sense.

I'll condense this down for you:

Based on the setup of this game, a smart scum team should be able to take advantage of the claims in this game because nothing is truly verifiable other than alignment on flips. The scum team should at minimum have 2 PR claims and they should sort themselves into the two piles of two town PRs, thus having a 2 3-way standoff situations. The scum continue to kill in the PR pile and keep the VT pile as high as possible as we continue to lynch only in that pool.

I really don't see why worcej would want to explain to scum the best way to handle the mass claim during D1, yet if I am correct about Chaqa being scum, worcej must be town.

[bozotheclown]

I don't like the Bozo vote because at this point I feel like if he were scum he'd have done something other than continue to spout crap about the massclaim even while the votes were piling up on him

Aside from being a confused noob, what has macca done to get voted?

Aside from being a confused noob, what has macca done to get voted?

About as much as anyone does on Day 1.

Idk, there's not a single post of macca's that has stood out to me and given me a desire to lynch them

I don't like the Bozo vote because at this point I feel like if he were scum he'd have done something other than continue to spout crap about the massclaim even while the votes were piling up on him

his problem as scum is he has a hard time coming up with genuine reads.

I told him to give genuine reads. Instead hes been robotic and true to his scum meta, and has been solely hiding behind the massclaim.

Also, theres that thing that quite a few people giving me the heebeejeebies are trying to dissuade us from wagoning him.

Do you really buy that multiple mafia team members would go out of their way to save a partner D1? The fact so many people have jumped to defend Bozo is another reason why I think he's town frankly.

##vote macca

This will be pure luck if they flip scum.

HR could have been trying to save Macca D1 before deciding to bus him, but I do not know why he would be trying to get damo lynched over me as scum. I don't think he would try to pocket me when it looked like I was about to be lynched. It is possible he was expecting me to get lynched and was trying to get town credit for town reading me, while justifying his vote off the top wagons. He may have thought it was more likely someone would jump in and vote for me after he tied the vote than for someone to vote for Macca. At least it can no longer be argued that it was because HR and I are both scum.

I think HR is a possibility for the scum in the VTs, but he would be my second choice after rdrivera.

[bozotheclown]

I am sticking with Jamie and rdrivera as my guess for the final 2 scum, with worcej and HR as alternatives.

[bozotheclown]

Early D2, rdrivera said this:

From the VT list, Bob is still the one giving me more scum vibes, but brain is coming close and so do Bozo. HR and Damo still have some credit from D1 lynch.

##vote Bob

Later D2, when Donny was looking like a likely lynch, rdrivera said this:

My bet for the scumteam: Bob, Donny, Chaqa/Jamiet and TFB.
Maybe, just maybe, scum choose to kill a VT and Brainbomb or Durga is the 4th scum instead of a PR.

Why did rdrivera not mention Donny in the first post? Why did Donny move up to rdrivera's second scum read among the VTs in the second post? A bot search indicates the second post was the first time rdrivera mentioned Donny in the game.

[bozotheclown]

Why rdr 5?

My guess: Donny Durga EMC JF

Rdr 5 because he announced a fifth scumead so I put it in.

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB, Durga
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR
Bismarck: worcej, Donny, brainbomb, Bob
Vecna: emc, bismarck, bozo , _________
Damo: Donny, Durga, EMC, JF

I want to update mine: Bob, Durga, Jamiet and emc.

I think Donny reactions today looked townie and Durga is just laying low which isn't her town meta.

And I changed TFB for emc. Emc is totally capable of claiming PR as scum, I think it's harder for the newbies to claim PR as scum and have to go through a CC battle.

Even later D2 rdrivera took Donny out of his scum list, but rdrivera had still never explained why Donny was in his list in the first place.

[damo666]

What. The. Heck? That was amazing! And really unexpected. That was one horrible scumslip right there. We're definitely on track to win this now, unless xorx or Vecna is scum, they won't be caught for ages. But I highly doubt that's the case, so we're doing good! I'd be down for a HR lynch tomorrow or something along those lines.

Lol

If scum team is Macca, Donny, Bob and Flash I totally understand Chaqa giving up.

This is very rude!

[bozotheclown]

What for? We already know there were no successful saves.

Because we can work out the A & B for the FAE as well?

I don't think we can unfortunately.

How could tell with the TCGs?

[bozotheclown]

Because we can work out the A & B for the FAE as well?

I don't think we can unfortunately.

How could tell with the TCGs?

How could you tell with the TCGs?

[damo666]

D1:

Macca573 (7) xorxes rdrivera2005 bozotheclown Durga summit_fever Hellenic Riot damo666
bozotheclown (6) JF1981 worcej Vecna BobMcBob TheFlyingBoat Chaqa
worcej (2) BismarckAlive Macca573
brainbomb (1) flash2015
flash2015 (1) TheRealCottonmouth
Chaqa (1) Donny Dude
damo666 (1) brainbomb
TheRealCottonmouth (1) e.m.c^42


So at most one scum was bussing macca D1. One for sure unless brain or Bob are scum.

If there was no bussing at all, then Bismarck has to be scum, because macca was voting for worcej and Donny for Chaqa.

Couldn't worcej or Chaqa have been bussing Bozo?

[damo666]

D1:

Macca573 (7) xorxes rdrivera2005 bozotheclown Durga summit_fever Hellenic Riot damo666
bozotheclown (6) JF1981 worcej Vecna BobMcBob TheFlyingBoat Chaqa
worcej (2) BismarckAlive Macca573
brainbomb (1) flash2015
flash2015 (1) TheRealCottonmouth
Chaqa (1) Donny Dude
damo666 (1) brainbomb
TheRealCottonmouth (1) e.m.c^42


So at most one scum was bussing macca D1. One for sure unless brain or Bob are scum.

If there was no bussing at all, then Bismarck has to be scum, because macca was voting for worcej and Donny for Chaqa.

Non-sequitur Xorxes. Why are you putting mud on me? Is that because your scummate Worcej is on my radar? No way I am scum. I am consistent with my reads. D1 I called Donny, Brainbomb and Worcej dirty, and I have voted that way - that day I started voting Donny, but when Worcej did what he did, I voted Worcej. Go bark up a different tree.

Fake townslip?

[BunnyGo]

If there was no bussing at all, then Bismarck has to be scum, because macca was voting for worcej and Donny for Chaqa.

Non-sequitur Xorxes. Why are you putting mud on me? Is that because your scummate Worcej is on my radar? No way I am scum. I am consistent with my reads. D1 I called Donny, Brainbomb and Worcej dirty, and I have voted that way - that day I started voting Donny, but when Worcej did what he did, I voted Worcej. Go bark up a different tree.

Fake townslip?

In what way was that a town slip at all? If anything it seemed to me a scum slip that he's not even bothering to pay attention to who is clear.

[damo666]

Non-sequitur Xorxes. Why are you putting mud on me? Is that because your scummate Worcej is on my radar? No way I am scum. I am consistent with my reads. D1 I called Donny, Brainbomb and Worcej dirty, and I have voted that way - that day I started voting Donny, but when Worcej did what he did, I voted Worcej. Go bark up a different tree.

Fake townslip?

In what way was that a town slip at all? If anything it seemed to me a scum slip that he's not even bothering to pay attention to who is clear.

Pretending to be inattentive town.

Anyway, no matter, maybe he is inattentive town. He's either that or scum.

[damo666]

If we lynch from pr pool I favour Bismarck.

From the VT pool one of summit, rdr, Durga (that order of preference).

[damo666]

If we lynch from pr pool I favour Bismarck.

From the VT pool one of summit, rdr, Durga (that order of preference).

Or Jamie considering D1 voting.

I dunno.

[damo666]

If scum dk w&e at least it would narrow it down.

Do us a favour.

[rdrivera2005]

Rdr 5 because he announced a fifth scumead so I put it in.

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB
brainbomb: Donny, Jamie, rdrivera, summit
Jamie: bozo, Bob, flash, TFB
HR: Donny, brainbomb, Jamie, xorxes
rdrivera: Bob, Donny, Jamie, TFB, Durga
xorxes: HR, summit, Jamie, JF
summit: Donny, damo, flash, JF
TFB: Donny, Jamie, emc, HR
Bismarck: worcej, Donny, brainbomb, Bob
Vecna: emc, bismarck, bozo , _________
Damo: Donny, Durga, EMC, JF

I want to update mine: Bob, Durga, Jamiet and emc.

I think Donny reactions today looked townie and Durga is just laying low which isn't her town meta.

And I changed TFB for emc. Emc is totally capable of claiming PR as scum, I think it's harder for the newbies to claim PR as scum and have to go through a CC battle.

Even later D2 rdrivera took Donny out of his scum list, but rdrivera had still never explained why Donny was in his list in the first place.

He was on my list by a process of elimination, if I had to put a read on him it would be a null, but almost all other VTs voted for Macca D1 and I didn't (and still don't) see any reason for bussing Macca D1. It was a weak read and I moved him out later because I thought he was being genuine in the noob reaction.

I am fine with the wagons being me and Bob tomorrow, if Vecna didn't get his scan, I think it could be interesting and we should be lynching among VTs.

If Vecna scan clears Bob, then maybe me and Brainbomb.

[Vecna]

Why do you all keep acting like the scum factional roleblock does not exist?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Bismark - can you please summarize your case why I am scum?

@Jamie - between Bismark and me, who do you believe to be the scum and why?

My instinct is that it's Bismarck, and I already said why.

[BunnyGo]

I was in the Mafia team in that game. It broke the game in town's favor. You can say it break the game but not that it's bad for town, it makes no sense.

I'll condense this down for you:

Based on the setup of this game, a smart scum team should be able to take advantage of the claims in this game because nothing is truly verifiable other than alignment on flips. The scum team should at minimum have 2 PR claims and they should sort themselves into the two piles of two town PRs, thus having a 2 3-way standoff situations. The scum continue to kill in the PR pile and keep the VT pile as high as possible as we continue to lynch only in that pool.

I really don't see why worcej would want to explain to scum the best way to handle the mass claim during D1, yet if I am correct about Chaqa being scum, worcej must be town.

Worcej is an engineer. He thinks everyone sees the “obvious” conclusions too. So he didn’t think he was coaching, he thought he was explaining why he was against a claim.

[BunnyGo]

If scum dk w&e at least it would narrow it down.

Do us a favour.

I have no idea what you’re saying here. Multiple typos? Please help me understand so I can do you a favor.