Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BismarckAlive]

By the way, I think the math that the game is "over" is not quite right. I would be disappointed if scum surrendered here.

One of the two remaining dirty scouts is either Worcej or Chamiet.

I will vote Worcej D4. And Chamiet D5 if Worcej flips clean.

I would by far vote for Jamiet or you before voting worcej. I'm thinking perhaps you as first choice now honestly.

Yes - because I agreed long ago with others that you were scum, and said so in my BOZO analysis reads. Why the change in Bob interactions after D1? Ahh...maybe scum QT coaching...

[BismarckAlive]

So worcej, who'd you save each night and did any of them fail?

You’ll love this.

I targeted flash both nights and each night my action failed. My logic was the scum would go for the low post count/lurker PRs to keep suspicion up in the active players.

That should almost clear worcej.

Yeah, your scum buddy?

[BismarckAlive]

So worcej, who'd you save each night and did any of them fail?

You’ll love this.

I targeted flash both nights and each night my action failed. My logic was the scum would go for the low post count/lurker PRs to keep suspicion up in the active players.

Quite surprised that that logic didn't lead you to saving JF N2, given we'd not had a replacement for them yet and they were a PR who was obviously not going to claim at the final second

Worcej is lying. What was your action message?

[Durga]

You’ll love this.

I targeted flash both nights and each night my action failed. My logic was the scum would go for the low post count/lurker PRs to keep suspicion up in the active players.

That should almost clear worcej.

Yeah, your scum buddy?

[Durga]

Bismarck lashing out is sus af

[BismarckAlive]

Bismarck lashing out is sus af

Yes - we just saw how many mis-lynches we have up our sleeve, and if I leave camp D4 you will be down 1 mis-lynch.

[Durga]

Bismarck lashing out is sus af

Yes - we just saw how many mis-lynches we have up our sleeve, and if I leave camp D4 you will be down 1 mis-lynch.

I don't really understand what you're saying.

[BismarckAlive]

I think at 2-3 we have already lost.

Possibly. Realistically we have at least 3 ML's though.

Well, since the cat is out of the bag. 3 is the number I arrived at.

Read this Durga. It explains some go-forward scenarios with night-kills factored in.

[Durga]

Possibly. Realistically we have at least 3 ML's though.

Well, since the cat is out of the bag. 3 is the number I arrived at.

Read this Durga. It explains some go-forward scenarios with night-kills factored in.

How does it go from 3 to 1?

[BobMcBob]

D1:

Macca573 (7) xorxes rdrivera2005 bozotheclown Durga summit_fever Hellenic Riot damo666
bozotheclown (6) JF1981 worcej Vecna BobMcBob TheFlyingBoat Chaqa
worcej (2) BismarckAlive Macca573
brainbomb (1) flash2015
flash2015 (1) TheRealCottonmouth
Chaqa (1) Donny Dude
damo666 (1) brainbomb
TheRealCottonmouth (1) e.m.c^42


So at most one scum was bussing macca D1. One for sure unless brain or Bob are scum.

If there was no bussing at all, then Bismarck has to be scum, because macca was voting for worcej and Donny for Chaqa.

Non-sequitur Xorxes. Why are you putting mud on me? Is that because your scummate Worcej is on my radar? No way I am scum. I am consistent with my reads. D1 I called Donny, Brainbomb and Worcej dirty, and I have voted that way - that day I started voting Donny, but when Worcej did what he did, I voted Worcej. Go bark up a different tree.

This logic is absolute garbage. You may have other things in your favour, but this does not clear you in any way, shape or form. Consistent reads that never change? Perhaps even worse. The fact that you're calling it out as a point for why you definitely cannot possibly conceivably be scum? Just plain wrong. You are very much still in my lynch pool.

[BobMcBob]

One of the two remaining dirty scouts is either Worcej or Chamiet.

I will vote Worcej D4. And Chamiet D5 if Worcej flips clean.

I would by far vote for Jamiet or you before voting worcej. I'm thinking perhaps you as first choice now honestly.

Yes - because I agreed long ago with others that you were scum, and said so in my BOZO analysis reads. Why the change in Bob interactions after D1? Ahh...maybe scum QT coaching...

I don't care what you think, I'm currently set to be scanned tonight! So I honestly don't care what conspiracy theories you're spewing (especially the fact that me, xorx and worcej are all apparently scum...), because I know full well you're wrong, and soon everyone else will too.

[BismarckAlive]

I think at 2-3 we have already lost.

The math doesn't change on #of_mislynch if we get one right on the way and it is 1-2.

At 1-2 we can still win by lynching correctly. At 2-3 we have lost because even if we lynch correctly it is then 1-3 that night and the last scum knows who to double kill.

That would assume the luck of the draw has the 2 clean scouts buddy up at the end. But I don't think we will get to that scenario if we get them down to one with my said strategy: lynch either Worcej or Jamiet D4, and if flips clean, lynch the other one D5. So by Day 5, possibly 1 dirty vs 11, or 1 v 10.
Without knowing pairs, double-kills will be a huge gamble by that stage ie take a guess and lose the kill?

[BismarckAlive]

I would by far vote for Jamiet or you before voting worcej. I'm thinking perhaps you as first choice now honestly.

Yes - because I agreed long ago with others that you were scum, and said so in my BOZO analysis reads. Why the change in Bob interactions after D1? Ahh...maybe scum QT coaching...

I don't care what you think, I'm currently set to be scanned tonight! So I honestly don't care what conspiracy theories you're spewing (especially the fact that me, xorx and worcej are all apparently scum...), because I know full well you're wrong, and soon everyone else will too.

I don't care what you think either at this stage. And no, I am not saying Xorxes is dirty, or any conspiracies! This is mafia game, with two sides competing to win. I know my win condition is to find the two remaining scum, and guess what? I KNOW one is either Worcej or Jamiet. Simple!

[BismarckAlive]

If there was no bussing at all, then Bismarck has to be scum, because macca was voting for worcej and Donny for Chaqa.

Non-sequitur Xorxes. Why are you putting mud on me? Is that because your scummate Worcej is on my radar? No way I am scum. I am consistent with my reads. D1 I called Donny, Brainbomb and Worcej dirty, and I have voted that way - that day I started voting Donny, but when Worcej did what he did, I voted Worcej. Go bark up a different tree.

This logic is absolute garbage. You may have other things in your favour, but this does not clear you in any way, shape or form. Consistent reads that never change? Perhaps even worse. The fact that you're calling it out as a point for why you definitely cannot possibly conceivably be scum? Just plain wrong. You are very much still in my lynch pool.

Reasons? I bet anything you respond with is laughable.

[BobMcBob]

Yes - because I agreed long ago with others that you were scum, and said so in my BOZO analysis reads. Why the change in Bob interactions after D1? Ahh...maybe scum QT coaching...

I don't care what you think, I'm currently set to be scanned tonight! So I honestly don't care what conspiracy theories you're spewing (especially the fact that me, xorx and worcej are all apparently scum...), because I know full well you're wrong, and soon everyone else will too.

I don't care what you think either at this stage. And no, I am not saying Xorxes is dirty, or any conspiracies! This is mafia game, with two sides competing to win. I know my win condition is to find the two remaining scum, and guess what? I KNOW one is either Worcej or Jamiet. Simple!

I don't care what you "know", you'll have to do better than staking your claims on "I'm know I'm not scum" to convince me, and same for most other people here. You can't ever use your POV to support your case. I'd honestly prefer Vecna scanned in the PR claims, it'd be a quicker way of reaching a conclusion, but that's up to him.

[bozotheclown]

If you're town I'm sure the mafia are very happy with your stance Chaqa. If you dislike the game, maybe sub out?

In my mind, mafia are happy with the rest of you dancing to their massclaim scheme. Why would I sub out due to disliking the game? That's silly, we'll need those subs for the newbies who will inevitably drop out or for when EMC forgets to vote.

I'm glad we got scum, but damo continuing his trend of being absent an entire phase just to show up and cast a literal last-second vote is... tiring.

Regardless, I've requested a sub. I just don't have any interest in playing a Day 1 massclaim game or the time to keep up with it right now.

This kind of inconsistency is just one reason I do not think Chaqa was town. Also, the part about damo being absent an entire phase was not true. I am not sure if that makes damo more or less likely to be scum, but I think it does point to Chaqa being scum, since there is no reason for town to fabricate something like that.

[bozotheclown]

@Chaqa

If you're so mad about the massclaim, how about voting the 'VT' that started it by claiming when only 3-4 people had expressed any interest in it whatsoever, ie damo :)

I was actually just considering this.

Shocking that some of those people voting me because I wouldn't claim didn't unvote when I claimed. Almost like it was just an excuse to get an easy mislynch.

##Vote damo666

It seems unlikely Chaqa was considering voting for damo at that time for that reason, since he had claimed that he had not read most of D1.

[bozotheclown]

If damo doesn't pan I out I intend on voting for Bozo, FYI.

@EMC: I haven't had a chance to review his posts too much. I'm kinda operating in the dark here overall. Blegh.

##Vote bozo

The attempt to influence the vote away from Macca before voting for me himself looks like a scum move.

[bozotheclown]

So its unfortunate you are a PR? you brought it on yourself by annoying people lol

Unfortunate in that not all scum are hiding in the VT group. Would have been much simpler to solve.

At this point there were only 8 PR claims, so it appeared Chaqa had knowledge that there was at least 1 scum in the PRs before he should have as town. When I asked him about it, he said he thought there were only 7 PRs:

Unfortunate in that not all scum are hiding in the VT group. Would have been much simpler to solve.

We do not know that is the case, do you? We only have 8 PR claims.

Are there not 7 PRs and 8 VTs? did I get that backwards?

This is possible, but either way it seemed Chaqa suddenly knew more about the claiming situation that he was indicating.

[BismarckAlive]

Well, since the cat is out of the bag. 3 is the number I arrived at.

Read this Durga. It explains some go-forward scenarios with night-kills factored in.

How does it go from 3 to 1?

If you refer to the last day when it could be 3 town and 1 scum, if that is the last mis-lynch, then that night the dirty scout kills the last two cleans and they win. You forgot there can be a double night kill if the dirty scouts opt to guess two scouts that could be chat buddies, instead of kill/roadblock.