Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[Jamiet99uk]

it would actually be great if people provide reasoning for their reads. a bit more thorough than some people are doing now.

Can you give us your top 4 scum reads with or without reasons?

Why are you happy for people to give unexplained reads?

[summit_fever]

@summit, what did you conclude from looking at this?

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

I will record that as your prediction, you can always change it.

You really can be singleminded. That's my tinfoil (minus flash).

[xorxes]

@summit, what did you conclude from looking at this?

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

PRs will be much easier to sort after claims and NK, no point spending much time on that. Finding the scum in the VTs is much more important now.

[xorxes]

@summit, what did you conclude from looking at this?

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

Hellenic is the only VT that seems to have avoided all contact with Macca. But Hellenic was involved in the Xorxes/Brain/Macca/Bob deal so it was mainly luck that contact was never established.

Was it? Why could it not have been on purpose that he chose not to focus on macca?

In fact, his null read on macca does not make a lot of sense coupled with the scumread on Bob. which only really made sense with a scum macca.

[xorxes]

@Jamie, have you looked at the macca-bozo interaction? There was quite a bit of it D1. What is your conclusion?

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie, have you looked at the macca-bozo interaction? There was quite a bit of it D1. What is your conclusion?

I will make time to do that tomorrow. I take it that you conclude from it that Bozo ist aus der Stadt?

[summit_fever]

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

Hellenic is the only VT that seems to have avoided all contact with Macca. But Hellenic was involved in the Xorxes/Brain/Macca/Bob deal so it was mainly luck that contact was never established.

Was it? Why could it not have been on purpose that he chose not to focus on macca?

In fact, his null read on macca does not make a lot of sense coupled with the scumread on Bob. which only really made sense with a scum macca.

Hellenic mentioned macca, by name, three times early in day 1. There was a chance macca would respond to these. Later in the day hellenic questioned wagons forming on macca as well as rivera. Perhaps Hellenic is questioning wagons on one scum and one town by design?

This is happening to me with all of the VTs. I scum someone and then find some mitigating factor.

[xorxes]

@Jamie, have you looked at the macca-bozo interaction? There was quite a bit of it D1. What is your conclusion?

I will make time to do that tomorrow. I take it that you conclude from it that Bozo ist aus der Stadt?

Out of town?

I find it hard to believe that macca would have that long conversation about massclaims with a scum teammate, but I want opinions from others. It seems not many people are looking at what macca did or didn't do to find out who their teammates might be.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie, have you looked at the macca-bozo interaction? There was quite a bit of it D1. What is your conclusion?

I will make time to do that tomorrow. I take it that you conclude from it that Bozo ist aus der Stadt?

Out of town?

I find it hard to believe that macca would have that long conversation about massclaims with a scum teammate, but I want opinions from others. It seems not many people are looking at what macca did or didn't do to find out who their teammates might be.

From the town. Anyway, town.

Ok, I will look.

Right now this constant pushing of mechanics-driven list making and claiming to the exclusion of pretty much everything else really says scum!bozo to me.

[bozotheclown]

I will make time to do that tomorrow. I take it that you conclude from it that Bozo ist aus der Stadt?

Out of town?

I find it hard to believe that macca would have that long conversation about massclaims with a scum teammate, but I want opinions from others. It seems not many people are looking at what macca did or didn't do to find out who their teammates might be.

From the town. Anyway, town.

Ok, I will look.

Right now this constant pushing of mechanics-driven list making and claiming to the exclusion of pretty much everything else really says scum!bozo to me.

How do you say that it is to the exclusion of everything else? I have given my best guess at the remaining scum team with reasons for each. Now I am trying to get everyone else to give their best guess at the 4, something that has proven useful in the past.

[bozotheclown]

@summit, what did you conclude from looking at this?

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

PRs will be much easier to sort after claims and NK, no point spending much time on that. Finding the scum in the VTs is much more important now.

We are going to have counterclaims to choose from in the PR group. Do you have a scum team prediction?

[Jamiet99uk]

Out of town?

I find it hard to believe that macca would have that long conversation about massclaims with a scum teammate, but I want opinions from others. It seems not many people are looking at what macca did or didn't do to find out who their teammates might be.

From the town. Anyway, town.

Ok, I will look.

Right now this constant pushing of mechanics-driven list making and claiming to the exclusion of pretty much everything else really says scum!bozo to me.

How do you say that it is to the exclusion of everything else? I have given my best guess at the remaining scum team with reasons for each. Now I am trying to get everyone else to give their best guess at the 4, something that has proven useful in the past.

You're not pushing any of your reads though. You're not putting any pressure on your "scumreads".

You're not even voting for anyone.

[rdrivera2005]

My bet for the scumteam: Bob, Donny, Chaqa/Jamiet and TFB.
Maybe, just maybe, scum choose to kill a VT and Brainbomb or Durga is the 4th scum instead of a PR.

Do you think Bob fabricated that conversation with macca in their chat?

I think he is capable of this or more likely editing the real posts to show what he wants to show to get town credit.

[bozotheclown]

From the town. Anyway, town.

Ok, I will look.

Right now this constant pushing of mechanics-driven list making and claiming to the exclusion of pretty much everything else really says scum!bozo to me.

How do you say that it is to the exclusion of everything else? I have given my best guess at the remaining scum team with reasons for each. Now I am trying to get everyone else to give their best guess at the 4, something that has proven useful in the past.

You're not pushing any of your reads though. You're not putting any pressure on your "scumreads".

You're not even voting for anyone.

I am pushing them, and everyone else, to provide their scum team predictions, because I think the scum would prefer not to if they could avoid it.

[bozotheclown]

My bet for the scumteam: Bob, Donny, Chaqa/Jamiet and TFB.
Maybe, just maybe, scum choose to kill a VT and Brainbomb or Durga is the 4th scum instead of a PR.

Do you think Bob fabricated that conversation with macca in their chat?

I think he is capable of this or more likely editing the real posts to show what he wants to show to get town credit.

What do you think of this from D1:

Keep in mind that there may also be buddy chats which roleswapped. we have a very imcomplete tapestry

Correct. Something my buddy suggested, but that I refused, and not just because I refuse to claim.

[bozotheclown]

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

I will record that as your prediction, you can always change it.

You really can be singleminded. That's my tinfoil (minus flash).

Can you explain your theory about Bob, brainbomb, and me?

[bozotheclown]

My bet for the scumteam: Bob, Donny, Chaqa/Jamiet and TFB.
Maybe, just maybe, scum choose to kill a VT and Brainbomb or Durga is the 4th scum instead of a PR.

Do you think Bob fabricated that conversation with macca in their chat?

I think he is capable of this or more likely editing the real posts to show what he wants to show to get town credit.

I'll bring this up again since it got lost:

I am pretty sure my buddy is scum.

Anyone else feel that way based on their convos, or was I the only one trying to engage with them enough?

I'm pretty sure my buddy was scum. Let's drop some quotes:

"Brainbomb is definitely mafia"

"I oppose [the massclaim]. But I don't want to be seen to oppose it, you guys are getting slammed."

"I'm trying to claim ignorance..."

"Idea.

I am VT, so if you are PR, we claim opposites and you can keep your role hidden from scum.

Is this a good plan? Or am I missing something?"

That makes bb look slightly better than he does otherwise, because why else would a scum noob say they though bb was scum in the buddy chat? Unless they were trying to signal me in case I was mafia? Not sure they would've had that idea though. The other quotes also give us a bit of insight (hopefully) into why he acted the way he did. He was overclaiming ignorance and lack of knowledge by the looks.

A lot of this would have to be fabricated, not edited.

[Vecna]

@summit, what did you conclude from looking at this?

I don't know. Just looking at it again Bob's question could be related to comments made in their QT. I've been trying to get a reads list going but I'm tinfoiling on bozo/brain/bob. Is that crazy?

In the PR list I'm suspicious of flash because the low output is low even for flash.

i wasnt aware you had played that many games with flash

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, if you ask for claims one more time, or post that overview, ill claim I have a guilty on brainbombs partner and get you speedlynched.

Your call

xorxes: TCG
Vecna:
flash:
emc:
TFB:
Bismarck:
​JF:
Jamie: FAE
worcej: FAE
TRC: ?

[Donny Dude]

Bozo, if you ask for claims one more time, or post that overview, ill claim I have a guilty on brainbombs partner and get you speedlynched.

Your call

xorxes: TCG
Vecna:
flash:
emc:
TFB:
Bismarck:
​JF:
Jamie: FAE
worcej: FAE
TRC: ?

Bozo has 666 karma
Scum confirmed
/s