Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[BobMcBob]

So, after working on my assignment for most of the past dour hours... it's pretty much midnight, so I'm going to have to clock off today with a very pathetic contribution. I will say however, HR's push for scoutmaster reveal today and repeated misinterpretation of the cool guy role is not good. I can't see any reason why we would want to follow his strategy which is obviously flawed, yet he keeps pushing it (which reminds me of someone but I'm not sure who).

I will hopefully be a bit more active again tomorrow.

[Hellenic Riot]

Like I said before, it appears you did not read the cool scout role very carefully

I am aware that they can only use the scan once, but that's why co-ordinating it is more important than ever. If they do it randomly at different times then they could both get blocked by the switch, and if they delay then they might never get to use it due to being dead. The mafia can only RB one scan (and maybe get lucky on a switch on the other). The longer we wait before fullclaiming, the less co-ordination we can have on said scans. We want the four scans to all be on different people, and to all be on people who have not been scanned yet, and for as many of them to succeed as possible.

[Hellenic Riot]

After all, given the fact that PR claims were done in the first place, and that a bunch of PR's have already fullclaimed, there is a very good chance that scum will be able to start killing these investigative roles soon. We have to maximise their use while we still have them.

[xorxes]

Like I said before, it appears you did not read the cool scout role very carefully

I am aware that they can only use the scan once, but that's why co-ordinating it is more important than ever. If they do it randomly at different times then they could both get blocked by the switch, and if they delay then they might never get to use it due to being dead. The mafia can only RB one scan (and maybe get lucky on a switch on the other). The longer we wait before fullclaiming, the less co-ordination we can have on said scans. We want the four scans to all be on different people, and to all be on people who have not been scanned yet, and for as many of them to succeed as possible.

And we can do all that coordinating at night, and with no need for anyone to claim, we can just determine which role will scan in which pool. Claiming early only helps scum know who to roleblock/kill, and what to claim, in case JF is scum. Plus, we would waste a day of actual wagons, which at this point seems to be your main goal, since you keep wanting to discuss this instead of scumhunting.

[xorxes]

After all, given the fact that PR claims were done in the first place, and that a bunch of PR's have already fullclaimed, there is a very good chance that scum will be able to start killing these investigative roles soon. We have to maximise their use while we still have them.

Yes, and the best way to maximise their use is for them to stay hidden until EON. We can discuss who we should scan at night, after we have one more flip, and once JF's replacement is here.

In the meantime, we should be scumhunting.

[Hellenic Riot]

Pretty hard to co-ordinate people on who to scan when you don't know who got scanned N1.

[Donny Dude]

Pretty hard to co-ordinate people on who to scan when you don't know who got scanned N1.

Yes, but for the future and long-term it is better as it means we can get more things done and let our strongest PR and scanner live.
Is there any merit to have our A/B roles double target to make sure one of their actions occurs?

[xorxes]

Pretty hard to co-ordinate people on who to scan when you don't know who got scanned N1.

It is hard, yes, all we can do is try to maximize the chances that people don't get scanned twice, but even that is not a total waste due to Lawyer.

Who is your top scumread among the VTs at the moment?

[bozotheclown]

If we are going to wait to N2 to try to identify the scum in the PRs, I think we should get everyone's scum team predictions.

I do not think the mafia would pass us the chance to NK a PR without having revealed their role, so I do not think there is much of a chance that TRC was a VT. Besides, there is a 8/15 random chance he was a PR. That means there is likely 2 scum in the PRs. Jamie and worcej have claimed FAE, so it is unlikely they are both scum. I still think one is probably scum, and the third FAE is TRC or JF. It is a tough call, but I am going to go with Jamie. That leaves a hidden scum, so I will guess flash, who has posted 7 times all game. For the 2 scum in the VTs, I think Donny and rdrivera are the best scum candidates for reasons I previously explained. So my guess at the remaining mafia is Jamie/flash/Donny/rdrivera.


Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera

[bozotheclown]

Sorry, that should say "pass up the chance".

[Hellenic Riot]

Pretty hard to co-ordinate people on who to scan when you don't know who got scanned N1.

It is hard, yes, all we can do is try to maximize the chances that people don't get scanned twice, but even that is not a total waste due to Lawyer.

Who is your top scumread among the VTs at the moment?

My questioning of brainbomb made clear my suspicions of his end of D1 play in that regard, and I retain my original scumread on Donny.

I do not believe that it is worth not lynching a confirmed mafia today "to gain more information" when we can just do the same and then have a narrower pool with (hopefully) some extra clears for the same situation tomorrow, but if we have to lynch then right now I'd be voting for one of those two.

[brainbomb]

having seen first hand donny playing a new meta I cant turn a blind eye like I did on macca

##Vote donny

[Donny Dude]

we have a lot of low posters so far
Yeah offtopic I know, but maybe it is because this Bozo Donny wagon is town
Considered that?
I really wished I could have changed my Macca vote so you all could be better convinced of my new meta as town.

[Jamiet99uk]

If we are going to wait to N2 to try to identify the scum in the PRs, I think we should get everyone's scum team predictions.

I do not think the mafia would pass us the chance to NK a PR without having revealed their role, so I do not think there is much of a chance that TRC was a VT. Besides, there is a 8/15 random chance he was a PR. That means there is likely 2 scum in the PRs. Jamie and worcej have claimed FAE, so it is unlikely they are both scum. I still think one is probably scum, and the third FAE is TRC or JF. It is a tough call, but I am going to go with Jamie. That leaves a hidden scum, so I will guess flash, who has posted 7 times all game. For the 2 scum in the VTs, I think Donny and rdrivera are the best scum candidates for reasons I previously explained. So my guess at the remaining mafia is Jamie/flash/Donny/rdrivera.


Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera

Did you mean to say "the second FAE" , since you believe either I or Worcej is lying?

[bozotheclown]

If we are going to wait to N2 to try to identify the scum in the PRs, I think we should get everyone's scum team predictions.

I do not think the mafia would pass us the chance to NK a PR without having revealed their role, so I do not think there is much of a chance that TRC was a VT. Besides, there is a 8/15 random chance he was a PR. That means there is likely 2 scum in the PRs. Jamie and worcej have claimed FAE, so it is unlikely they are both scum. I still think one is probably scum, and the third FAE is TRC or JF. It is a tough call, but I am going to go with Jamie. That leaves a hidden scum, so I will guess flash, who has posted 7 times all game. For the 2 scum in the VTs, I think Donny and rdrivera are the best scum candidates for reasons I previously explained. So my guess at the remaining mafia is Jamie/flash/Donny/rdrivera.


Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera

Did you mean to say "the second FAE" , since you believe either I or Worcej is lying?

Yes, the second real FAE, or the third overall, if you count real and fake FAEs.

[bozotheclown]

we have a lot of low posters so far
Yeah offtopic I know, but maybe it is because this Bozo Donny wagon is town
Considered that?
I really wished I could have changed my Macca vote so you all could be better convinced of my new meta as town.

Can you let me know who you think are most likely to be the 4 remaining scum?

[bozotheclown]

If we are going to wait to N2 to try to identify the scum in the PRs, I think we should get everyone's scum team predictions.

I do not think the mafia would pass us the chance to NK a PR without having revealed their role, so I do not think there is much of a chance that TRC was a VT. Besides, there is a 8/15 random chance he was a PR. That means there is likely 2 scum in the PRs. Jamie and worcej have claimed FAE, so it is unlikely they are both scum. I still think one is probably scum, and the third FAE is TRC or JF. It is a tough call, but I am going to go with Jamie. That leaves a hidden scum, so I will guess flash, who has posted 7 times all game. For the 2 scum in the VTs, I think Donny and rdrivera are the best scum candidates for reasons I previously explained. So my guess at the remaining mafia is Jamie/flash/Donny/rdrivera.


Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera

Did you mean to say "the second FAE" , since you believe either I or Worcej is lying?

Do you have any scum reads besides me? Can I get your prediction for the remaining 4?

[Donny Dude]

we have a lot of low posters so far
Yeah offtopic I know, but maybe it is because this Bozo Donny wagon is town
Considered that?
I really wished I could have changed my Macca vote so you all could be better convinced of my new meta as town.

Can you let me know who you think are most likely to be the 4 remaining scum?

My reads are probably not that good, but they are
Jamie/Chaqa, Hellenic, Damo, and Flyingboat.

[bozotheclown]

we have a lot of low posters so far
Yeah offtopic I know, but maybe it is because this Bozo Donny wagon is town
Considered that?
I really wished I could have changed my Macca vote so you all could be better convinced of my new meta as town.

Can you let me know who you think are most likely to be the 4 remaining scum?

My reads are probably not that good, but they are
Jamie/Chaqa, Hellenic, Damo, and Flyingboat.

Thanks.

[bozotheclown]

Scum team predictions:

bozo: Jamie, flash, Donny, rdrivera
Donny: Jamie, HR, damo, TFB