Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[damo666]

PR claims should be in N2 as close to end as practical.

Doubtful that all scum VT claimants were bussing D1 so we should lynch from Donny Bob brain.

If scoutmaster strongly feels we are heading for a mislynch (dunno how they would know) they could sacrificially reveal the guilty.

Bb has perfected his role as tinfoil man.

[Vecna]

I agree that it would be better to fullclaim and lynch the guilty. The Scoutmaster may lose their scan tonight, but the Cool Guys can both use their at once so even if scum RB one scan then the other two will definitely go through. Throw in Quartermaster scans and we're going to get at least 3 scans tonight. It's better to therefore minimise the list of people who actually need to be scanned by getting as many clears as we can as fast as we can.

No, only one of the Cool Guys will be active tonight, and we don't know what action the one that is active has already used.

And we have the night to figure out how to minimize the list of people who need to be scanned. It's better to get another day with real wagons to analyse first.

The mafia do not know *which* Cool Guy will be active though, so their RB may not help there.

You should probably go reread the cool guy roles, because youre trying to push things while you have no idea how it even works

[Vecna]

Frankly I feel like the game can and will be broken by a full massclaim here when the scum will be down to so few people after the guilty lynch, and therefore the main reason to oppose it is if you are in fact mafia.

You keep pushing this thinking there will be more scans tonight. There wont be unless the docs get lucky. Heck, one of the cops might even be dead already.

The way its looking right now, were probably not even going to manage to get all the PRs in here to claim regardless. Itll be a problem regardless of whether we do it now or at EoN.

[Vecna]

Frankly I feel like the game can and will be broken by a full massclaim here when the scum will be down to so few people after the guilty lynch, and therefore the main reason to oppose it is if you are in fact mafia.

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

So find the 2 scum in the VT's?

Youre acting like even after the guilty is revealed, you'll have a clue which of the 8 remaining VTs is scum

[Vecna]

So we wait until Day 3 then for the role claim?

No! We wait until N2, when JF should have been replaced (or modkilled if they won't be replaced). Waiting for D3 risks someone dying and us not finding out their role.

Sure that's fine by me. I'll guarantee that I'll role claim before EoN 2

Exactly one minute before deadline would be perfect if you can manage

[Jamiet99uk]

Mr flying boat, if you could be sure to be online at the end of the following night and claim your role and results then, you'd make all of us mafia players very fond of you.

Ill charm EMC and flash to be there. Ill even throw a bucket of charm at our teacher-friend mr bismarck.

Then im sure the only other player is the guy that thinks mafia is boring. He might be a bit tricker

JF should be subbed at EOD if he does not show up to post/vote.

so what if that doesnt happen
what if there are no subs available
what if squiggs has to modkill

Talking about modkills?
Very tiresome.
There were two others on the official subs list. I am sure it will be fine.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you guys going to sit here and tell me that if you are scoutmaster, and see the SCUM you scanned sitting on lead wagon, youre just gonna comply with a miskill because of protocol?

please tell me where the line of rigidity starts and stops. rigid thinking will lose you games bigtime

Why don't you let the Scoutmaster decide what to do with the information they now have? Scoutmaster is an important role; let us see how the incumbent exercises their judgement. They don't need you bossing them around.

[BismarckAlive]

No! We wait until N2, when JF should have been replaced (or modkilled if they won't be replaced). Waiting for D3 risks someone dying and us not finding out their role.

Sure that's fine by me. I'll guarantee that I'll role claim before EoN 2

Exactly one minute before deadline would be perfect if you can manage

Could be less than one minute! Just get your smartphones, get your message ready, and count down to the last 10 seconds...that is what I will be doing, with a hot cup of chocolate and a shortbread biscuit, while wearing three layers in my frigid room.

[Jamiet99uk]

Rivera scum meta is to lay super low day one and make weirdo comments that hedge everything. Most of his day 1 was hedgy, abnormal, lurky and he kept blaming it on being too busy to be around. but hes proven repeatedly he is actually around and knows exaqctly what is happening, and knows the exact RIGHT side of the argument to be on in numerous instances.

I had 31 posts on D1, this isn't lurking to any standard to me. Show a post were I was hedgy? I was in favor of the massclaim webern not liking it personally. I even stated my scumread on both Bob and Macca way before to my buddy (which won't confirm now, please) in the private chat. You are making things up and this isn't townie.

Why are you sharing scumreads in a private chat but not the game thread

This I agree with. Brainbomb is on point here. If you have reads, don't hide them away or keep them only in your buddychat. Not useful.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, to the people that want claims now: it looks like JF has left the game. That means that if they get replaced, their replacement will have a choice of claim knowing all the other claims, and nobody will be able to blame them for waiting for everyone else to claim first. So if they are scum and TRC was PR, they will be able to just pick whatever role TRC was without a counterclaim.

You pushed and hectored me into claiming, and now you say things like this?

Huh.

[Hellenic Riot]

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

So find the 2 scum in the VT's?

Youre acting like even after the guilty is revealed, you'll have a clue which of the 8 remaining VTs is scum

That's what the scans are for.

[Hellenic Riot]

At the end of the day, we can add at least as many new clears from scans per night as the mafia will be able to kill; in addition to all the clears we'll already have. There is absolutely no benefit in hiding the SM and lynching a VT today, giving us one fewer potential future clear, risking the same guilty being re-scanned by a different PR tonight, and possibly giving the mafia more time to use some of their own powers.

[rdrivera2005]

At the end of the day, we can add at least as many new clears from scans per night as the mafia will be able to kill; in addition to all the clears we'll already have. There is absolutely no benefit in hiding the SM and lynching a VT today, giving us one fewer potential future clear, risking the same guilty being re-scanned by a different PR tonight, and possibly giving the mafia more time to use some of their own powers.

I think we can't if scum knows exactly who to kill and who to roleblock. Plus the other scum powers that could still be active.

[Vecna]

So where are these magical scans coming from if we fullclaim now?

[rdrivera2005]

Also, to the people that want claims now: it looks like JF has left the game. That means that if they get replaced, their replacement will have a choice of claim knowing all the other claims, and nobody will be able to blame them for waiting for everyone else to claim first. So if they are scum and TRC was PR, they will be able to just pick whatever role TRC was without a counterclaim.

You pushed and hectored me into claiming, and now you say things like this?

Huh.

Chaqa was the scummiest of the PR claimants and you had already narrowed your options to 2. Not exactly the same thing.

[Vecna]

Like I said before, it appears you did not read the cool scout role very carefully

[Jamiet99uk]

Also, to the people that want claims now: it looks like JF has left the game. That means that if they get replaced, their replacement will have a choice of claim knowing all the other claims, and nobody will be able to blame them for waiting for everyone else to claim first. So if they are scum and TRC was PR, they will be able to just pick whatever role TRC was without a counterclaim.

You pushed and hectored me into claiming, and now you say things like this?

Huh.

Chaqa was the scummiest of the PR claimants and you had already narrowed your options to 2. Not exactly the same thing.

I dispute that I had done the latter of those things. I was pointing out a general weakness in Bozo's "plan", rather than explicitly stating that it definitely applied to me.

Note that "plan" is in inverted commas for a (hopefully obvious) reason.

[Jamiet99uk]

Like I said before, it appears you did not read the cool scout role very carefully

Who is the "you" to whom you refer? HR, or Xorxes?

[Vecna]

HR

[Jamiet99uk]

HR

Aha right yes.

You know whenever people refer to him by just his initials I want his name to be "Human Resources".