Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[xorxes]

Also, to the people that want claims now: it looks like JF has left the game. That means that if they get replaced, their replacement will have a choice of claim knowing all the other claims, and nobody will be able to blame them for waiting for everyone else to claim first. So if they are scum and TRC was PR, they will be able to just pick whatever role TRC was without a counterclaim.

So we wait until Day 3 then for the role claim?

No! We wait until N2, when JF should have been replaced (or modkilled if they won't be replaced). Waiting for D3 risks someone dying and us not finding out their role.

[Hellenic Riot]

Frankly I feel like the game can and will be broken by a full massclaim here when the scum will be down to so few people after the guilty lynch, and therefore the main reason to oppose it is if you are in fact mafia.

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

[xorxes]

Frankly I feel like the game can and will be broken by a full massclaim here when the scum will be down to so few people after the guilty lynch, and therefore the main reason to oppose it is if you are in fact mafia.

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

I'm not goint to argue this anymore, especially since I'm becoming more convinced that you are scum. The other PRs may do as they think is best. I have given my advice.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Also, to the people that want claims now: it looks like JF has left the game. That means that if they get replaced, their replacement will have a choice of claim knowing all the other claims, and nobody will be able to blame them for waiting for everyone else to claim first. So if they are scum and TRC was PR, they will be able to just pick whatever role TRC was without a counterclaim.

So we wait until Day 3 then for the role claim?

No! We wait until N2, when JF should have been replaced (or modkilled if they won't be replaced). Waiting for D3 risks someone dying and us not finding out their role.

Sure that's fine by me. I'll guarantee that I'll role claim before EoN 2

[bozotheclown]

Everyone knows when they will be able to be online. As long as they do it before EON there's no rush.

If everyone claims before EON, was is the point of waiting?

Scoutmaster could get another scan.

Why make mislynching more likely today just to possibly get another scan? There are a number of reasons why the Scoutmaster might not get another scan anyway.

[bozotheclown]

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

I'm not goint to argue this anymore, especially since I'm becoming more convinced that you are scum. The other PRs may do as they think is best. I have given my advice.

I agree with HR.

TRC was unavoidable since he disappeared after meeting the minimal posting requirements D1, we do not want to risk something else going wrong and having another unrevealed NK. We also want to maximize our chance of lynching scum today.

[xorxes]

If everyone claims before EON, was is the point of waiting?

Scoutmaster could get another scan.

Why make mislynching more likely today just to possibly get another scan? There are a number of reasons why the Scoutmaster might not get another scan anyway.

Let the scoutmaster decide then. We may be lynching their guilty scan anyway and they may get another shot. And mislynching today is not the end of the world if we reduce the pool where our PRs have to scan.

[Hellenic Riot]

Three scum left is not so few, and a full reveal now helps potentially two of them to choose a role that can't be couterclaimed.

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

I'm not goint to argue this anymore, especially since I'm becoming more convinced that you are scum. The other PRs may do as they think is best. I have given my advice.

I'm sure you do; anything to avoid the rest of your team being wrecked by mechanics no matter what you say.

[xorxes]

Three scum when two of them are presumably trapped in PR claims (unless the SM went balls to wall and scanned a PR), and therefore there's only going to be one scum VT left? A big handful of clears that can be nailed down when we roll that scum up? The possibility of the SPL (not the QM, got those two confused before, my bad), being able to hand us yet more scum depending on buddies in a couple days time?

Having a "clear" PR that's actually scum is really no big deal if we kill off every scum in the VT's by Day 4.

I'm not goint to argue this anymore, especially since I'm becoming more convinced that you are scum. The other PRs may do as they think is best. I have given my advice.

I'm sure you do; anything to avoid the rest of your team being wrecked by mechanics no matter what you say.

You think I'm scum now?

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm not goint to argue this anymore, especially since I'm becoming more convinced that you are scum. The other PRs may do as they think is best. I have given my advice.

I'm sure you do; anything to avoid the rest of your team being wrecked by mechanics no matter what you say.

You think I'm scum now?

I think that scum would be opposed to this, so probably yes.

[BobMcBob]

Doesn't it? Having someone pocketed the entire game because you were helpful and protective for them sounds like an excellent scum move to me.

It would only count as protection if macca was scum. Town would not have needed protection from that question and town!macca would not have felt protected by Bob answering for them. It doesn't work.

Perhaps, but someone protecting you from a wild brainbomb could certainly feel welcome for a noob.

Do you think that Bob would really leap to his partner's defence there? I don't recall you pushing on Macca because of that interaction despite your stated agreement with me either.

Do you think I would leap to his defence as scum to try and defend him when I already had a buddy chat with him that I could use to warn him and coach him throughout the entire day? If I was scum, why would I not tell him to stop overplaying the noob card and join the massclaim earlier to get you off his backs?

[xorxes]

I'm sure you do; anything to avoid the rest of your team being wrecked by mechanics no matter what you say.

You think I'm scum now?

I think that scum would be opposed to this, so probably yes.

A difference of opinion on mechanics seems like a bad reason to scumread someone. You must think that scum would gain a huge advantage by delaying the reveal if I would risk any towncred I had with you by arguing for an obviously flawed strategy just to gain that advantage.

[xorxes]

It would only count as protection if macca was scum. Town would not have needed protection from that question and town!macca would not have felt protected by Bob answering for them. It doesn't work.

Perhaps, but someone protecting you from a wild brainbomb could certainly feel welcome for a noob.

Do you think that Bob would really leap to his partner's defence there? I don't recall you pushing on Macca because of that interaction despite your stated agreement with me either.

Do you think I would leap to his defence as scum to try and defend him when I already had a buddy chat with him that I could use to warn him and coach him throughout the entire day? If I was scum, why would I not tell him to stop overplaying the noob card and join the massclaim earlier to get you off his backs?

We did not know you were in a chat with macca at the time, so that could not have influenced HR's or my read of what was going on.

[Hellenic Riot]

It would only count as protection if macca was scum. Town would not have needed protection from that question and town!macca would not have felt protected by Bob answering for them. It doesn't work.

Perhaps, but someone protecting you from a wild brainbomb could certainly feel welcome for a noob.

Do you think that Bob would really leap to his partner's defence there? I don't recall you pushing on Macca because of that interaction despite your stated agreement with me either.

Do you think I would leap to his defence as scum to try and defend him when I already had a buddy chat with him that I could use to warn him and coach him throughout the entire day? If I was scum, why would I not tell him to stop overplaying the noob card and join the massclaim earlier to get you off his backs?

Psychic powers haven't always been my forte, but I'm down to give you a Tarot read if you want

[BismarckAlive]

Vote Count Day 2 - From BOT 10 mins ago
Wagon # Voters
bozotheclown (4) - worcej Jamiet99uk Vecna BobMcBob
Donny Dude (2) - damo666 summit_fever
damo666 (1) - flash2015
Hellenic Riot (1) - xorxes
rdrivera2005 (1) - brainbomb
BobMcBob (1) - rdrivera2005
Unvote (1) - Donny Dude

As I see it so far, my top 4 scumreads are all up there, with two of them (Bob and Worcej) voting for BOZO, BB voting for Rivera, and DD just unvoted from Chamiet after being reprimanded for voting for a PR.

##vote Donny Dude

I would also entertain a Bob train.

[BobMcBob]

Perhaps, but someone protecting you from a wild brainbomb could certainly feel welcome for a noob.

Do you think that Bob would really leap to his partner's defence there? I don't recall you pushing on Macca because of that interaction despite your stated agreement with me either.

Do you think I would leap to his defence as scum to try and defend him when I already had a buddy chat with him that I could use to warn him and coach him throughout the entire day? If I was scum, why would I not tell him to stop overplaying the noob card and join the massclaim earlier to get you off his backs?

We did not know you were in a chat with macca at the time, so that could not have influenced HR's or my read of what was going on.

I thought you were discussing the present, not questioning past reads from back then, my bad.

[BismarckAlive]

So we wait until Day 3 then for the role claim?

No! We wait until N2, when JF should have been replaced (or modkilled if they won't be replaced). Waiting for D3 risks someone dying and us not finding out their role.

Sure that's fine by me. I'll guarantee that I'll role claim before EoN 2

That is fine by me too. I guarantee that I'll role claim before EoN 2.

[Donny Dude]

Based on what Hellenic has been saying in his convo with worcej, he seems more scummier than my read of him previously.
##vote Hellenic

[Donny Dude]

Based on what Hellenic has been saying in his convo with worcej, he seems more scummier than my read of him previously.
##vote Hellenic

I am dumb, I meant xorxes

[Durga]

Based on what Hellenic has been saying in his convo with worcej, he seems more scummier than my read of him previously.
##vote Hellenic

I am dumb, I meant xorxes

Interesting mix up...