Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[Vecna]

cant blame a man for trying

[summit_fever]

Really?
I am still up for lynching Jamiet/Chaqa though based on their hard resistance to the mass claim.

I'm not voting jamie day 2. Chaqa's scumgame seemed much more relaxed. M55 was where I saw him freak out a time or two.

In M55 Chaqa was town, so him freaking out to you seems townish this time?

I'm reading it as townish. I don't think Chaqa would do that to his scummates if he was scum. All supposition on my part.

That coupled with the fact that Chaqa claimed PR and jamie hasn't done anything that caught my eye as scummy. Why remove a potential PR?

The odds don't favour it either. Depending on what thereal was the odds of hitting in the VT pool will be 22% or 33%. For the PR pool the odds are 11% or 22%.

[bozotheclown]

Im having thoughts. The fact scum killed the no reveal guy either means he was a PR, or they were desperate enough to kill a VT to make us all get suspicious.

It might also mean they have had a chat with the guy so they would be certain noone was told the role there in secret.

I think we can assume he was a PR and the scum NKed him because 2 scum claimed PR.

[bozotheclown]

*slow clap @ bozo, rdr, damo, and xorxes*

Good job guys. It totally worked.

##vote bozo

I think it worked well, we can assume we have 2 scum in the PRs, so a full PR claim will help catch those 2. My guess is you and Jamie. That leaves 2 scum in the VTs, and 1 of the 4 remaining scum is likely caught, although we have to keep in mind the false town guilty.

[xorxes]

Im having thoughts. The fact scum killed the no reveal guy either means he was a PR, or they were desperate enough to kill a VT to make us all get suspicious.

It might also mean they have had a chat with the guy so they would be certain noone was told the role there in secret.

I think we can assume he was a PR and the scum NKed him because 2 scum claimed PR.

They could not know which PR he was, so that would have been a gamble.

I think it's just as likely that he was VT and they killed him so we would not know for sure that three scum claimed VT.

I don't think we need to speculate on this much more, but every PR should claim their role at EON2, before we have more unknown deaths, and then we will probably figure it out. Scoutmaster has to claim anyway and that's the most important role.

[Vecna]

What if you got a guilty on yourself because someone targetted brainbomb, Bozo?

Wouldnt that be hilarious?

[xorxes]

What if you got a guilty on yourself because someone targetted brainbomb, Bozo?

Wouldnt that be hilarious?

[Vecna]

I mean, everyone thats been talking since daystart at least seemed a little bit cheerful about that news.

Bozo just sounds like he just received some bad news in his inbox

[Jamiet99uk]

*slow clap @ bozo, rdr, damo, and xorxes*

Good job guys. It totally worked.

##vote bozo

I think it worked well, we can assume we have 2 scum in the PRs, so a full PR claim will help catch those 2. My guess is you and Jamie. That leaves 2 scum in the VTs, and 1 of the 4 remaining scum is likely caught, although we have to keep in mind the false town guilty.

Bozo guesses that the two people who are voting him are scum.

Of course.

Damo, would you please calculate the probability that Worcej and I are both scum, and Bozo and EMC are town, to at least 107 decimal places?

[bozotheclown]

worcej and xorx both putted claims at eon

Which just happen to be the two roles scum are most likely to claim

Yes because each of those roles is not directly cc-able without exposing both of them.

That was my concern when Bozo was demanding roleclaims at night.

That was a poor reason not to claim, and you just indicated you are 1 of those 2, which is not surprising.

[xorxes]

One thing has been bothering me about HR. We were both suspicious of Bob because of the way he anticipated a response to brain when brain was asking macca something. I interpreted this as Bob trying to make sure noob scumbuddy macca did not scumslip by saying something they shouldn't. But HR did not pay any attention to macca and focused entirely on Bob, which is odd, because Bob "defending" macca in a way made no sense unless macca was scum. HR finally did vote for macca but with little conviction (and it would have been a tie if damo did not also vote seconds later). So... I don't know. I think HR might be scum if Bob is not.

[rdrivera2005]

To give Scoutmaster at least one more shot.

Sounds pretty fuckin dumb we have like 9 PR rivera

On the one hand, now that we -might- have 2 scum hiding in our PRs, doing a properly ordered full-claim could give better showdowns. On the other hand, theres two semi-cops out there that were much better off with if they dont get roleblocked or killed. Also, it probably makes it harder for scum to determine who to guilty/lawyer if they dont know what the switch is set to, and if they dont know the full role of the dead guy.

Theres also still the possibility that the result was framed, or that youre lying about the result and you and bozo are scum and youre just gonna go "it was probably framed" if it flips town after lynching it (no idea why you would be targetted to begin with lol, there were so many better and more trustworthy other candidates out there).

Because they were one of the exposed pairs.
Also, they don't know the target so how they will lie with a guilty, risking to be on a scumpartner?

[bozotheclown]

the strangest thing is rivera coming out of the bleachers to post what would seem to be best optimal play for scoutmaster

Unless TRC was Scoutmaster, which seems incredibly unlikely, and unless whoever the guilty was was framed, which is also somewhat unlikely, then that scum is caught and we lynch them tomorrow, We don't need to worry about it right now. The best part is that the scumteam don't know which one of them was caught yet either, so bussing for towncred is not that great for them.

Rivera pointing out optimal play is NAI, as he probably knows someone else would have done it anyway, but I don't see anything scummy about it.

We are better off if no more PRs are killed without revealing their role, so it is better to do the full claim before N2 EON anyway.

[xorxes]

Which just happen to be the two roles scum are most likely to claim

Yes because each of those roles is not directly cc-able without exposing both of them.

That was my concern when Bozo was demanding roleclaims at night.

That was a poor reason not to claim, and you just indicated you are 1 of those 2, which is not surprising.

Jamie definitely needs to claim by EON. Everyone else as well, but Jamie definitely. Preferrably before/simultaneously with the other A/Bs.

[rdrivera2005]

the strangest thing is rivera coming out of the bleachers to post what would seem to be best optimal play for scoutmaster

Why it's the strangest thing?

I find stranger people voting for PR claimants instead of VTs.

[Jamiet99uk]

Which just happen to be the two roles scum are most likely to claim

Yes because each of those roles is not directly cc-able without exposing both of them.

That was my concern when Bozo was demanding roleclaims at night.

That was a poor reason not to claim, and you just indicated you are 1 of those 2, which is not surprising.

It is an entirely valid reason because then with the CCs you'd be in a situation where there are three claims and only one of them is fake instead of the usual 50/50 split.

[rdrivera2005]

the strangest thing is rivera coming out of the bleachers to post what would seem to be best optimal play for scoutmaster

Also, you insist to paint me as lurking which isn't true at all. I have posted and engaged more them most of the games I remember as any alignment, I just don't have unlimited time to play Mafia.

[bozotheclown]

The second part of the mass claim was for the PRs to claim if any scum claimed PR. I believe the optimal time to do that is now.

xorxes: TCG
Vecna:
flash:
emc:
TFB:
Bismarck:
JF:
Jamie: FAE or TCG
worcej: FAE
TRC: ?

[xorxes]

I will ##VOTE HR to see if anyone else has an interest in this.

[bozotheclown]

Yes because each of those roles is not directly cc-able without exposing both of them.

That was my concern when Bozo was demanding roleclaims at night.

That was a poor reason not to claim, and you just indicated you are 1 of those 2, which is not surprising.

It is an entirely valid reason because then with the CCs you'd be in a situation where there are three claims and only one of them is fake instead of the usual 50/50 split.

Yes, the scum who claimed PR were always gong to claim A/B roles. It is time to find out the counterclaims.