Mafia 56: Scout Camp

[Vecna]

theres a 35.768% chance that vecna never read his role PM. if we extrapolate this data and stretch it out over 10 years, youll see that Vecna is at about a 6.8% interest rate as town. Which means if we sign you up on a fixed town mortgage we could live off vecnas town equity for 277 day phases

Would it be bad if I said the initial assumption is 64.232% short of reality?

[bozotheclown]

Why do you disregard bussing so willingly?

because the CFD happened super fast and I doubt multiple scum were able to react. Bozo almost was lynched, if theres a busser its potentially a double busser who was also on jamie/chaqa. Its very likely chaqa was scum there

I'm not scum.

My assumption was that Chaqa was just in a really bad mood with Bozo because of how much he hated the massclaim.

Chaqa looked bad for waiting so long to claim and for making a vote the appeared to try to save Macca. Also, he potentially scum slipped by stating that there was a scum in the PR claims before that could be known by anyone except the mafia.

Since we now know there is at least one scum in the PR claims, you are the most likely candidate. Whatever you say, you are not going to be able to undo what Chaqa did to look like scum.

If you want to clear yourself, you can claim your role and see if we have any counterclaims.

[damo666]

What kind of info, and what info that wouldn't already exist regardless of the massclaim?

You are looking from the outside, not the inside.

I think the fact you are not in a townhead pov adds to your scumitudinesity.

When I ask you to explain, I expect an explanation, not a veiled nonsensical answer complete with a scumread on me. I will ask again, what extra information do we have that would not exist if we hadn't massclaimed?

This has been explained. We know minimum and maximum scum in defined sets.

[Jamiet99uk]

@ Damo:

In scout group "Bozo" the average (arithmetic mean) dirtiness of the scouts is 70.

In scout group "Worcej" the average of the dirtyness values of the scouts is 92.

When the dirt of the two groups is combined, the average dirtyness is 86.

Assume the Frink values of both groups are increasingly constant.

What is the value of Bozo/Worcej ?

[bozotheclown]

I did not think macca was scum based on unwilingness to claim. he was asking people hypothetically what to do as scum in the game thread. lol

Why did you never vote for him, then?

[worcej]

Vecna is quasi townclear to me.

People disclosing pairs are either scum or stupid. (Or lying).

Or town and believe they have a scum pegged - IE: me.

[Jamiet99uk]

because the CFD happened super fast and I doubt multiple scum were able to react. Bozo almost was lynched, if theres a busser its potentially a double busser who was also on jamie/chaqa. Its very likely chaqa was scum there

I'm not scum.

My assumption was that Chaqa was just in a really bad mood with Bozo because of how much he hated the massclaim.

Chaqa looked bad for waiting so long to claim and for making a vote the appeared to try to save Macca. Also, he potentially scum slipped by stating that there was a scum in the PR claims before that could be known by anyone except the mafia.

Since we now know there is at least one scum in the PR claims, you are the most likely candidate. Whatever you say, you are not going to be able to undo what Chaqa did to look like scum.

If you want to clear yourself, you can claim your role and see if we have any counterclaims.

What, NOW?

[Jamiet99uk]

It's fucking night-time Bozo and you're calling for specific role claims.

Jesus.

[damo666]

Again - EMC is my buddy. I believe he is scum. The best way to test this, without being able to convince people with my words (because no one listens normally and the mass claim proved this once again) is to force the issue with mEcHaNiKz!
If EMC and myself do not die together tonight - he is scum.

Nonsense, if you are both town they could let you live to sow confusion with emc a likely mislynch. He then flips town and we all mistrust you.

You shouldn't have trod this path.

[brainbomb]

I did not think macca was scum based on unwilingness to claim. he was asking people hypothetically what to do as scum in the game thread. lol

Why did you never vote for him, then?

I dont have an answer to that

[worcej]

Also as a callout to the docs: im not sure if focussing everything on worcej/emc is a great call here.

If theyre both town, scum are probably just as confused whether theyre telling the truth, or worcej just made up a random pairing. Its also possible from their pov that theyre just JOATs trying to attract kills.

dont take this as an instruction. Use your best judgement ofcourse, but scum are quite likely to kill outside of those two, and I would not be surprised at all if theyre trying to gun me or xorxes down.

Try to be unpredictable. Try to predict the most likely scum kill while keeping all this in mind.

I hope scum stupidly kill outside of us. It'll make D2 fun for me.

[bozotheclown]

I'm not scum.

My assumption was that Chaqa was just in a really bad mood with Bozo because of how much he hated the massclaim.

Chaqa looked bad for waiting so long to claim and for making a vote the appeared to try to save Macca. Also, he potentially scum slipped by stating that there was a scum in the PR claims before that could be known by anyone except the mafia.

Since we now know there is at least one scum in the PR claims, you are the most likely candidate. Whatever you say, you are not going to be able to undo what Chaqa did to look like scum.

If you want to clear yourself, you can claim your role and see if we have any counterclaims.

What, NOW?

N1 is the best time, before any PRs are NKed.

[Jamiet99uk]

Again - EMC is my buddy. I believe he is scum. The best way to test this, without being able to convince people with my words (because no one listens normally and the mass claim proved this once again) is to force the issue with mEcHaNiKz!
If EMC and myself do not die together tonight - he is scum.

Nonsense, if you are both town they could let you live to sow confusion with emc a likely mislynch. He then flips town and we all mistrust you.

You shouldn't have trod this path.

I said this already, Poindexter.

[bozotheclown]

Again - EMC is my buddy. I believe he is scum. The best way to test this, without being able to convince people with my words (because no one listens normally and the mass claim proved this once again) is to force the issue with mEcHaNiKz!
If EMC and myself do not die together tonight - he is scum.

Nonsense, if you are both town they could let you live to sow confusion with emc a likely mislynch. He then flips town and we all mistrust you.

You shouldn't have trod this path.

Also, the option to kill them both does not go away just because they do not do it N1, unless one of them gets lynched.

[worcej]

You are very active this game, Bob, especially at night. Why the change? I had a plumbing emergency at home...so this wasn't my highest priority. Not that I like to be especially active this early in the game anyway.

I know that both worcej and chaqa were both obstinate about the massclaim. I didn't like it either. Usually you get townclears from a massclaim, don't you? What townclears do we have now? Unfortunately once the massclaim started there was no stopping it.

I think worcej is his usual obstinate towny self. I don't believe worcej should have told us his partner, but again this is worcej being worcej. Chaqa's late move on the massclaim was definitely anti-town, but I can't see the scum motivation for it. It just made him a target and almost got himself lynched. If he is scum why would he take that risk, especially so early in the game?

Highlighted the key part here no one addressed until this post - we gained NO TOWN CLEARS from the claims. We just made two piles to simplify the kills to be made by the scum while town focuses on the VT pile for lynches.

And yeah, I am obstinate. I'll probably become less someday if people actually show they listen to what I am saying lol...

[bozotheclown]

I did not think macca was scum based on unwilingness to claim. he was asking people hypothetically what to do as scum in the game thread. lol

Why did you never vote for him, then?

I dont have an answer to that

You did a number of things to try to prevent me from getting lynched, so it was odd that you never voted for Macca when I was leading him at EOD.

[brainbomb]

Why did you never vote for him, then?

I dont have an answer to that

You did a number of things to try to prevent me from getting lynched, so it was odd that you never voted for Macca when I was leading him at EOD.

Yes, indeed

[brainbomb]

youre welcome?

[damo666]

the odds that maccas chat partner was scum are quite low as well. yes?

I wouldn't call ~25% to be quite low.

20.76% but that ain't low either

[bozotheclown]

You are very active this game, Bob, especially at night. Why the change? I had a plumbing emergency at home...so this wasn't my highest priority. Not that I like to be especially active this early in the game anyway.

I know that both worcej and chaqa were both obstinate about the massclaim. I didn't like it either. Usually you get townclears from a massclaim, don't you? What townclears do we have now? Unfortunately once the massclaim started there was no stopping it.

I think worcej is his usual obstinate towny self. I don't believe worcej should have told us his partner, but again this is worcej being worcej. Chaqa's late move on the massclaim was definitely anti-town, but I can't see the scum motivation for it. It just made him a target and almost got himself lynched. If he is scum why would he take that risk, especially so early in the game?

Highlighted the key part here no one addressed until this post - we gained NO TOWN CLEARS from the claims. We just made two piles to simplify the kills to be made by the scum while town focuses on the VT pile for lynches.

And yeah, I am obstinate. I'll probably become less someday if people actually show they listen to what I am saying lol...

All we have to do is the PR claims and we have clears.